Thursday, December 18, 2008

Proposal: Jason is dead, long live Jason.


Adminned at 17 Dec 2008 20:11:52 UTC

Per rule “2.7 The End” the Protagonist has died (by being shot by Arthexis) and thus, no one can win the Dynasty. So, I propose that the current Dynasty ends and a new Dynasty begins instead.

Characters become Players. The Narrator becomes the Emperor. Remove all Dynastic Rules.




18-12-2008 03:35:05 UTC

against I’m sorry, but you italicized the text.  Oh, and it was not part of the plot seed.


18-12-2008 03:36:42 UTC

“If this sum is less than or equal to 0, the Protagonist dies and a new metadynasty begins.” is also against this proposal.  The metadynasty only starts if the Protagonist dies through The End.

Oh, and we may still make it to the time when Jason would normally die.

arthexis: he/him

18-12-2008 03:36:55 UTC

I made a second plot seed :)


18-12-2008 03:37:33 UTC

Will the new dynasty be the BloGnoMic metadynasty?


18-12-2008 03:37:44 UTC

Oh, and Yoda may just remove your seed.  He has powers like that.

Lets let Yoda decide.

arthexis: he/him

18-12-2008 03:38:13 UTC

But take the next sentence: ” If the Protagonist has not died, the Character with the most PP (of the Characters with a Relationship greater than 0) achieves victory. If two or more of those Characters tie for the most plot points then the Character in the tie with the higher Relationship achieves victory. In the event that causes another tie the players who tied for both shall roll DICEX, where X is relationship + PP for each player. “

This is the only way to achieve victory in the ruleset. Since the Protagonist is dead, no one can achieve victory.


18-12-2008 03:38:37 UTC

Two words: secret rule.


18-12-2008 03:38:56 UTC

Oh, and how does Jason die before he will die?  Please don’t mess up the future.


18-12-2008 03:39:52 UTC

“There exists a wiki document called the Plot Summary whose contents have no direct effect on gamestate.”



18-12-2008 03:40:29 UTC


Damn you, Rodlen.

Darknight: he/him

18-12-2008 03:40:32 UTC


Amnistar: he/him

18-12-2008 03:41:24 UTC

against See my plot post.


18-12-2008 03:41:34 UTC

Wait a second! Yoda always seems to agree with Rodlen.



18-12-2008 03:41:55 UTC

Basically, Jason’s life is gamestate, as it effects the game directly.

Therefore, Jason cannot die through the Plot Summary page.

arthexis: he/him

18-12-2008 03:41:57 UTC

It says “direct effect”. Yet, this is not really a direct effect, more like a side effect actually.


18-12-2008 03:43:04 UTC

Darth: No, Yoda and I had a pretty big war at the start of my dynasty.

He declared victory after I won the previous dynasty, but before my dynasty started.

That led to a mess.


18-12-2008 03:43:10 UTC

Rodlen isn’t even denying it…
Oh, and per arthexis’s point:  for


18-12-2008 03:43:41 UTC

Oops, posted at the same time as Rodlen.

arthexis: he/him

18-12-2008 03:44:41 UTC

Yay, almost 20 responses in less than five minutes… yeah, I know how to keep players on their toes ;)


18-12-2008 03:44:43 UTC

It is a pretty direct effect.

Jason dying in plot summary page is being used to mean Jason dies in gamestate.  You are trying to directly effect the gamestate with the plot summary page.

Amnistar: he/him

18-12-2008 03:45:16 UTC

Aside from which, he didn’t die.  It was really ME!



18-12-2008 03:47:23 UTC

Good point, Amnistar.


18-12-2008 03:47:47 UTC

It’s not direct. Direct would be if “Jason dies in plot” automatically causes “Jason dies in gamestate”. Here, “Jason dies in plot” leads to “Jason dies in gamestate” through the proposal.


18-12-2008 03:47:51 UTC

Yeah, Jason can’t be killed via plot summary posting.

And in any case, assuming a plot summary post had any real meaning beyond dramatic impetus, someone could just as easily post

...or so Arthexis thought!

after yours.

Anyhow, it ends in 20 hours. Let it be. ;)


18-12-2008 03:49:06 UTC

Darth: What I see is a proposal saying that Jason’s death in the plot means that Jason dies in the gamestate, a direct effect.  This proposal is really more like CfJ material: a clarification of the rules.


18-12-2008 03:50:24 UTC


Then, Arthexis would have to amend the ruleset (specifically “The End”), not just post a proposal declaring Smith dead.

arthexis: he/him

18-12-2008 03:50:26 UTC

Well, I salute Amnistar for creatively messing with my ability to win.

Amnistar: he/him

18-12-2008 03:51:09 UTC

Mission Impossible is on my mind, what can I say :).


18-12-2008 03:51:11 UTC


Darknight: he/him

18-12-2008 03:52:39 UTC

god my email is hating this lol.


18-12-2008 03:53:01 UTC

Plus, this would not create a metadynasty.  It would create a new dynasty with the same Emperor, as the emperor is not changed.


18-12-2008 04:02:03 UTC

......oh my god.

They’re all Yoda puppets!


18-12-2008 04:03:29 UTC

No, I was Yoda’s enemy for a bit…wait…Yoda has access to all GNDT passwords…HE COULD BE IMPERSONATING US ALL IN THE GNDT!!!

Darknight: he/him

18-12-2008 04:05:14 UTC

lol all admins do rod. for all ya know it could be me =P


18-12-2008 04:08:03 UTC

Or me.

But I wouldn’t do something like that…


18-12-2008 04:11:31 UTC

veto You guys are just asking me to abuse my powers…