Thursday, August 01, 2019

Proposal: Maritime Inaction

Times out, 5-0. Enacted by pokes.

Adminned at 03 Aug 2019 14:33:18 UTC

In “The Watch”, replace “As a Maritime action, a Captain may send the Admiral a private message listing the square their Vessel/s moves to, their Vessel/s’s facing, and the square/s their Vessel/s shoot at.” with:-

If they have not already done so during the current Watch, a Captain may send the Admiral a private message describing exactly one Order that they wish to give during this Watch. Valid Orders are to:-

* Move a Battleship they control up to 3 squares in the direction it is facing, or up to 2 squares perpendicular to the direction it is facing, or up to 1 squares in the opposite direction to the direction it is facing.
* Move a Battleship they control 1 square in the direction it is facing, then move one square perpendicular to the way it is facing.
* Move a Submarine they control up to 3 adjacent squares in any combination of directions.
* Have a Battleship they control Shoot at up to 2 squares. (A Battleship cannot Shoot at a square adjacent to the square it is located in; a Battleship can choose to shoot at the same square twice.)
* Have a Submarine they control Shoot at up to 1 square; this square must be between the Submarine and the grid edge the Submarine is Facing.
* Add a Battleship or Submarine under their control to a grid square of their choice and with a facing of their choice (unless the Captain giving this Order already controls a Vessel).

If the proposal “Enemy Ship Sighted!” enacted, add “Battleships Shoot a Manhattan distance.” just before the final bracket of the fourth action in the list, and replace “this square must be between the Submarine and the grid edge the Submarine is Facing” with “this square must be from a single row (if the Submarine is Facing East (E) or West (W)) or column (if the Submarine is Facing North (N) or South (S)) which is directly between the Submarine and the grid edge the Submarine is Facing.”

If the proposal “Gone Swimming” enacted, replace “A Captain may go Diving, as a Maritime action, by rolling” with “When a Captain goes Diving, the Admiral rolls” and add to the bulleted list in “The Watch”:-

* Go Diving

Remove every sentence containing the phrase “Maritime Action” from the ruleset.

Repeal “Naval Terms”.

The term “Maritime Action” is currently being used for two types of thing: a Captain sending secret instructions to the Admiral, and for various moves which can be performed directly by Vessels. But it’s not possible to submit an order of “I move my Battleship to G4” because that’s a Maritime action (“moving a Battleship”) being announced by another Maritime action (“sending the Admiral a message”) and we can only perform one Maritime action per Watch.

(“Order” is maybe a more understandable term to use here, to emphasise that the things which are happening are not actions being performed immediately and effectively by the Captain, but requests for something to hopefully happen at the time when the Watch is processed.)

And since we have no Vessels yet, this also adds a way to add Vessels to the map.

Comments

derrick: he/him

01-08-2019 15:42:37 UTC

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Farsight:

01-08-2019 16:37:53 UTC

I like this because it clears up the ambiguity around the use of the phrase “maritime action” that Kevan mentioned.

The limit of one Order per Watch is not what I intended, but I think it would create a very interesting dynamic of “should I shoot or move?” and would get even more interesting if someone later proposes a rule to allow vessels to ram each other.

I want to see where this goes.
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TyGuy6:

01-08-2019 16:58:08 UTC

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I’m all for this improvement in clarity!

Kevan: he/him

01-08-2019 17:08:58 UTC

I thought I was taking Farsight’s original “Once per Watch, a Captain may send the Admiral a private message listing the square their Vessel/s moves to…” rule as gospel, skipping over the Maritime Action rule as baffling (can I move and fire all of my Vessels each Watch, or is it a race among Captains to be the one to perform each Maritime Action?), but perhaps I misread the intention.

Kevan: he/him

01-08-2019 17:44:18 UTC

Although I suppose that does say “Vessel/s”. Quick fix to change “describing exactly one Order” to “each type of Order no more than once”, though.

TyGuy6:

01-08-2019 18:19:02 UTC

Actually, I think we could forego this in favor of:
The Technical Moves proposal, which seems incompatible otherwise,
A clarification of Maritime actions as once *per Captain* per Watch, and
Letting us both move and shoot. I can’t see how to adapt this version to do so.
against CoV

derrick: he/him

01-08-2019 20:01:10 UTC

@Tyguy6:

Technical moves should be compatible with this: its written to resolve differently depending on if this does or not.

card:

01-08-2019 20:59:15 UTC

“and we can only perform one Maritime action per Watch.” I guess it’s my fault for not making the rule clearer to my intent. I meant it as a limiter for each individual Maritime action and not for the whole class of Maritime actions.

Since we’re still sorting out the mechanics and nobody controls a vessel yet, I think I’ll against and make a fix proposal.

TyGuy6:

01-08-2019 21:07:32 UTC

Huh. Yep, how did I not see that? In that case, I’m willing to go with can’t move and shoot at same time. Kind of like defensive and offensive modes!
imperial CoV a second time.

TyGuy6:

01-08-2019 21:14:50 UTC

Is there anything in the rules, after this passes, saying the orders we send as wishes actually happen? The Admiral can’t move our ships for us, right? Not like the wording before this proposal was especially clear, but do we need a fix still on that?

Farsight:

01-08-2019 22:01:08 UTC

Erm, I think the rules currently say that the captains send orders to the admiral, then the admiral updates the chart accordingly. Do we need to be more specific than that?

TyGuy6:

01-08-2019 23:23:52 UTC

“the Admiral will update the Chart to reflect the new positions” doesn’t seem to directly give him power to move anything, to me. I do think Admiral should get that power, though, since he already tracks the chart.

TyGuy6:

02-08-2019 02:32:52 UTC

(I’ve gone ahead with changes to this in my newest Proposal.)

pokes:

03-08-2019 14:25:58 UTC

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