Wednesday, September 28, 2011

Proposal: Quorum isn’t a quorum at all.

Reaches antiqourum and fails, 6-3. Josh

Adminned at 30 Sep 2011 07:55:31 UTC

Replace “Quorum” with “Majority” wherever it appears in the ruleset.

Because, really, quorum is something else entirely.



09-28-2011 22:37:37 UTC


Darknight: HE/HIM

09-29-2011 05:09:26 UTC



09-29-2011 06:29:28 UTC

imperial Whilst this is clearly sensible, will it actually enact if the Dynasty ends before it passes?

Prince Anduril:

09-29-2011 07:00:54 UTC

It should do, as it will amend the Core rules as well. It can still be pending in hiatus, and then be enacted after the new dynasty starts, surely?

Prince Anduril:

09-29-2011 07:10:03 UTC


Ienpw III:

09-29-2011 10:32:11 UTC

As long as our Beloved New Emperor does not veto this proposal it will be fine.

Kevan: HE/HIM

09-29-2011 11:19:27 UTC

Hum. This makes a lot of sense for talking about “a Majority of survivors”, but it’s a little odd for phrases like “a Majority of FOR votes”. Sometimes it’s useful to have a deliberately obscure jargon word so that people stop and think (and new players stop and look it up), rather than lapsing into common English interpretation. Not sure how much we gain on balance, here.

Prince Anduril:

09-29-2011 15:32:09 UTC

How about adding Quorum to the glossary as a keyword - with a specified definition?

Kevan: HE/HIM

09-29-2011 15:40:29 UTC

Actually, it might make more sense just to rewrite phrases like “Majority of FOR votes” as “a Majority of Players have voted FOR”.


09-29-2011 15:48:55 UTC

Also, it might make sense to try to construct a standard template for votes of different kinds so that new rules which want a voting mechanism don’t have to build things from scratch every time.

The ideal end result would be something which lets you say any of:

* “Players may vote on this. If it passes, X happens.”
* “Players may vote on this. Once two Votes are cast in favour, X happens.”
* “Players may vote on this for 24 hours. If it passes, X happens.”

...with all the unstated aspects being filled in by defaults (voting lasts for 48 hours unless specified, voting can end early if a Majority is reached before the deadline, only Survivors can vote etc.).

Not quite sure how best to word it, though.

Ienpw III:

09-29-2011 20:42:31 UTC

Kevan: That seems to be the best solution to me.

Bataleur: I’m in favour of that in theory, depending on how well it would be worded.

Kevan: HE/HIM

09-30-2011 09:36:29 UTC

against until there’s a fixed version that cleans up the “Majority of FOR votes” type wordings.

Josh: HE/HIM

09-30-2011 11:11:02 UTC

against Quorum makes sense as a keyword, even if it’s not the strict dictionary definition.


09-30-2011 11:50:08 UTC


Prince Anduril:

09-30-2011 12:21:19 UTC

against Then.


09-30-2011 12:24:28 UTC

I have a procedural question. When this was posted, Kevan was Captain. Now Kevan’s an Artist and I am Critic. What do ‘IMPERIAL’ votes count as in this case? And if they defer to me, what does mine count as? (Obviously I can revote… but as my original vote implied I’m not sure which way to go on this.)

Josh: HE/HIM

09-30-2011 13:17:27 UTC

They defer to you.

Your vote just counts as explicit abstention - and thus any other IMP votes don’t count for either side.


09-30-2011 13:23:21 UTC

OK. Having pondered this a little in the meantime…

against (CoV)

...for basically the reason Kevan gives. We should clean up the questionable wordings before making this change, particularly since it’s only really a cosmetic change if done correctly.


09-30-2011 14:41:44 UTC