Tuesday, June 21, 2022

Proposal: Religion is my cup of tea

Reaches quorum at 7-3 and is enacted -SingularByte

Adminned at 23 Jun 2022 03:59:42 UTC

In the rule “Supplies”, remove the following line:

No Demiurges are demons.

In the rule “Living Beings”, append the following:

Each Demiurge has a Presence, which is a publicly tracked value that defaults to Human.

If a Demiurge’s Presence is set to Human, they may be referred to as a Human Demiurge. If a Demiurge’s Presence is set to Demon, they may be referred to as a Demon Demiurge.

Create a new dynastic rule named “Ideologies” with the following body:

Each Demiurge has an Ideology Allegiance, which is a publicly tracked value that defaults to None.

An Ideology consists of a title, body and an owner, all of which are publicly tracked. The title and body of an Ideology are considered to be flavor text.

If a Demiurge wins the game or becomes emperor while their Ideology Allegiance is set to any value other than None, the title and body of their Ascension Address must consist of the title and body of the Ideology corresponding to their Ideology Allegiance respectively.

If they aren’t already the owner of an existing Ideology, a Human Demiurge may Conceive an Ideology, which is an atomic action with the following steps:
* Create a new Ideology which consists of: a title; a body; and an owner, which is the Demiurge that created it.
* Set your Ideology Allegiance to the title of the Ideology you just created.

If a Demiurge’s Ideology Allegiance is set to None, they may set it to any existing Ideology.


Josh: he/him

21-06-2022 10:00:12 UTC

“The title of an Ideology may also be referred to as an Ideology.”

God, there has to be a better way of doing that

Kevan: he/him

21-06-2022 10:05:14 UTC

You’re also defining Integer Alliance as an integer value and setting it to a text string title, here.

Kevan: he/him

21-06-2022 10:05:26 UTC

(Ideology Alliance, I mean.)

lendunistus: Omnipotence he/him

21-06-2022 10:15:05 UTC

@Kevan okay, I’ll just say it’s a value

@Josh i’m so, so sorry

Kevan: he/him

21-06-2022 10:21:21 UTC

Probably also worth saying that Titles and Bodies of Ideologies are flavour text, if players can write whatever they want there.

Josh: he/him

21-06-2022 10:28:07 UTC

It’s not just an “I’m Sorry” here - if the Title of an Ideology is itself an Ideology, and ‘an Ideology consists of a title, body and an owner’, then it’s titles, bodies and owners all the way down, an infinite recursive nightmare which - since the act of making an Ideology is atomic - essentially soft-locks the game the moment someone wants to carry it out.

lendunistus: Omnipotence he/him

21-06-2022 10:46:23 UTC

i’ll remove the title line and make the title and body flavor text

Kevan: he/him

21-06-2022 14:41:41 UTC

against Feels a bit strict to ask people to write out their entire ascension address in full. And a bit early, when we’re only a day into this one.

Or is that the intended gameplay - that if someone sets their Ideology to something about joining forces with the Guardian and recovering a terraforming device from inside the vault, they risk being shut out of a victory if other players want to kill the guardian or find something else there?

lendunistus: Omnipotence he/him

21-06-2022 15:00:17 UTC

it’s just about what kind of dynasty people want to do

the intended use for this is to make it so demons have to choose an ideology when they transform. the idea is that in exchange for getting superpowers, you lose the ability to decide exactly what kind of dynasty you want to run

SingularByte: he/him

21-06-2022 15:06:13 UTC

I actually like the idea of competing between ideologies. Nothing stops you from leaving it unset for some time either.

Josh: he/him

21-06-2022 15:09:29 UTC

against per Kevan.

Brendan: he/him

21-06-2022 23:08:56 UTC



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