Thursday, July 29, 2021

Proposal: The Crystal Dome

Quorum reached. Passes 5-1—Clucky

Adminned at 31 Jul 2021 00:46:29 UTC

If the proposal “The Everlasting Night Soon Ends” enacted, undo its changes to the ruleset.

Enact a new rule, “Sunrise”:-
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If it is August, then the sun has risen over Zahndorf and Vampire Lords can take no dynastic actions other than Distilling. During August, Richardo von Nestor may take a Distilling action on behalf of any Vampire Lord, to spend that Vampire Lord’s Puissance and Influence and increase that Vampire Lord’s Blood Mana Crystals accordingly.

A Vampire Lord is Drained if their Influence is less than 3 plus the number of Blood Mana Crystals they have, or their Puissance is less than 2. If all Vampire Lords are Drained, Richardo von Nestor may select a random Blood Mana Crystal from among those held by all Vampire Lords: that Vampire Lord achieves victory.

The Organ is never considered to be playing during August, nor in July after 4:25pm UTC on the 29th; this takes precedence over the Richardo’s Journey rule.

A more straightforward take on The Everlasting Night Soon Ends.

Comments

lemon: she/her

29-07-2021 12:32:52 UTC

what about the puissance cost of distilling?

Kevan: City he/him

29-07-2021 12:34:33 UTC

Good point, have now factored that in.

ais523:

29-07-2021 12:38:58 UTC

Should probably make it so that Richardo can’t Enter the Crypt during August – reducing Emperor discretion in victory conditions is normally a good idea so that people don’t try to pressure the Emperor to use it, putting him in an impossible situation.

Lulu: she/her

29-07-2021 12:52:01 UTC

inb4 everyone idles out for the entirety of August so that a winner can’t be selected :P

Kevan: City he/him

29-07-2021 13:13:57 UTC

[ais523] True. Have added a clause to silence the Organ during August.

Josh: he/they

29-07-2021 14:52:36 UTC

I’m not going to vote on this, but I will say that it’s a very close game at the moment

Clucky: he/him

29-07-2021 14:56:31 UTC

this feels like it creates a huge bind for players with a lot of influence. we can’t spend our puissance now out of fear that this passes (in which case, converting is definitely better) but we also want to spend our puissance on other stuff if it doesn’t pass

Clucky: he/him

29-07-2021 15:06:46 UTC

I think at the very least we should commit to having one more run. then people can plan their moves accordingly, instead of getting in a boat where they expect a run to happen and other people just successfully stall the game until a run can’t happen

Kevan: City he/him

29-07-2021 15:06:48 UTC

Appreciate that’s a tension during early voting, but this is the way that BMCs are built, and the way that everyone’s been playing them so far: you spend Puissance and Influence to make each one, and you have to make a call about when best to do that. I cashed in one earlier today for safety’s sake, and that’s 2 Puissance I can’t spend now; you had the option to the same, but chose to invest on the board instead.

Clucky: he/him

29-07-2021 15:22:50 UTC

sure. but with it being up in the air if a run happens or not it gives you a huge advantage knowing you can spend your puissance and others can’t.

Kevan: City he/him

29-07-2021 15:28:28 UTC

Fair enough, let’s say no further run happens: the proposal has been edited to switch the Organ off as soon as it enacts.

(Note this proposal was written before the most recent run happened, and that run has already worsened my position.)

Clucky: he/him

29-07-2021 15:31:45 UTC

that’s better (and gives a nice option of choosing between this and One More Run)

its a bit unfortunate that this might not pass before the run happens, but I guess if it looks like a run is going to happen people can make their moves anyways

I’d still personally prefer seeing another run to give people time to plan out another set of moves. but also given the state of familiar rooms… see that others might not like it and just wanna get things over with. and this is at least fair

Clucky: he/him

29-07-2021 15:34:19 UTC

what do you think about my “square BMCs” idea in One More Run? If you’re worried about it helping Jumble/Lemon/Myself it really doesn’t. Lemon and myself would both be able to distill twice more, which puts Jumble/Lemon/Myself odds of winning at 17/30 with this, or 99/174 with the square rule. Which are pretty equal (56.67% up to 56.90%). Mostly it just advantages Chiiika (23.33% to 28.16%), but I think its fairer to make BMC matter a bit more so that is a good thing.

Kevan: City he/him

29-07-2021 15:40:06 UTC

As someone who’s none of those people, and with there being (I think) no cheap endgame move where an idle player can leap into the running, I’m fine with taking it as it comes.

I also wouldn’t want to make Brendan play the sad flute again.

Chiiika: she/her

29-07-2021 16:16:53 UTC

@Kevan the main problem is BMCs are integer, like scores! You cannot select a BMC at random afaik, since there is no BMCs as a entity and furthermore, don’t have the property of who’s owning it!

Chiiika: she/her

29-07-2021 16:19:42 UTC

The run has also weakened my position as a sidenote.

Kevan: City he/him

29-07-2021 16:40:21 UTC

[Chiiika] The rule we’ve got is “Each Vampire Lord has a number of Blood Mana Crystals, which is a publicly tracked non-negative integer defaulting to 0.” - technically it’s “number of Blood Mana Crystals” that’s the integer, and it seems fine to infer things like “Vlad has 6 crystals”, “6 crystals belong to Vlad” or “there are 30 Crystals in existence” from that.

If it was a number of apples defined in the same way, we’d accept “a player may give an apple”; it wouldn’t need to be written out as “a player may give an amount of their number of apples”.

Brendan: he/him

29-07-2021 18:16:04 UTC

for :sad_flute:

lemon: she/her

29-07-2021 23:19:52 UTC

for

lemon: she/her

29-07-2021 23:21:01 UTC

(tho i could be persuaded entirely away from ending the dynasty early, we do seem relatively near to an end)

Chiiika: she/her

30-07-2021 05:23:07 UTC

for

Clucky: he/him

30-07-2021 06:51:02 UTC

if lemon and Chiiika are both happy ending things this way…  imperial

Josh: he/they

30-07-2021 08:13:08 UTC

Defs won’t be doing anything on this

lemon: she/her

30-07-2021 11:56:01 UTC

CoV to against in favour of one last ride, actually, in light of the fact that distilling can quickly get v expensive w/ the new escalating prices rule

lemon: she/her

30-07-2021 11:57:02 UTC

(i won’t be upset if this one passes but i’d prefer the other one)

lemon: she/her

30-07-2021 12:04:07 UTC

er… will that one’s atomic action status even prevent the puissance costs from skyrocketing for whoever is arbitrarily the last one to auto-distill? uh oh

Clucky: he/him

30-07-2021 15:34:09 UTC

already pointed this out when correcting the wiki update, but distilling is a mysterious action not a power action. so it doesn’t have the puissance cost increases

Josh: he/they

30-07-2021 16:03:29 UTC

As I said I’m not going to vote on this, I won’t, but I will express a mild preference for One Last Ride

Raven1207: he/they

30-07-2021 18:12:50 UTC

against

ais523:

30-07-2021 21:43:13 UTC

for

Lulu: she/her

31-07-2021 00:31:11 UTC

against

Lulu: she/her

31-07-2021 00:37:16 UTC

for cob

lemon: she/her

31-07-2021 00:38:44 UTC

for CoV, bc im silly