what about the puissance cost of distilling?

Good point, have now factored that in.

Should probably make it so that Richardo can’t Enter the Crypt during August – reducing Emperor discretion in victory conditions is normally a good idea so that people don’t try to pressure the Emperor to use it, putting him in an impossible situation.

inb4 everyone idles out for the entirety of August so that a winner can’t be selected :P

[ais523] True. Have added a clause to silence the Organ during August.

I’m not going to vote on this, but I will say that it’s a very close game at the moment

this feels like it creates a huge bind for players with a lot of influence. we can’t spend our puissance now out of fear that this passes (in which case, converting is definitely better) but we also want to spend our puissance on other stuff if it doesn’t pass

I think at the very least we should commit to having one more run. then people can plan their moves accordingly, instead of getting in a boat where they expect a run to happen and other people just successfully stall the game until a run can’t happen

Appreciate that’s a tension during early voting, but this is the way that BMCs are built, and the way that everyone’s been playing them so far: you spend Puissance and Influence to make each one, and you have to make a call about when best to do that. I cashed in one earlier today for safety’s sake, and that’s 2 Puissance I can’t spend now; you had the option to the same, but chose to invest on the board instead.

sure. but with it being up in the air if a run happens or not it gives you a huge advantage knowing you can spend your puissance and others can’t.

Fair enough, let’s say no further run happens: the proposal has been edited to switch the Organ off as soon as it enacts.

(Note this proposal was written before the most recent run happened, and that run has already worsened my position.)

that’s better (and gives a nice option of choosing between this and One More Run)

its a bit unfortunate that this might not pass before the run happens, but I guess if it looks like a run is going to happen people can make their moves anyways

I’d still personally prefer seeing another run to give people time to plan out another set of moves. but also given the state of familiar rooms… see that others might not like it and just wanna get things over with. and this is at least fair

what do you think about my “square BMCs” idea in One More Run? If you’re worried about it helping Jumble/Lemon/Myself it really doesn’t. Lemon and myself would both be able to distill twice more, which puts Jumble/Lemon/Myself odds of winning at 17/30 with this, or 99/174 with the square rule. Which are pretty equal (56.67% up to 56.90%). Mostly it just advantages Chiiika (23.33% to 28.16%), but I think its fairer to make BMC matter a bit more so that is a good thing.

As someone who’s none of those people, and with there being (I think) no cheap endgame move where an idle player can leap into the running, I’m fine with taking it as it comes.

I also wouldn’t want to make Brendan play the sad flute again.

@Kevan the main problem is BMCs are integer, like scores! You cannot select a BMC at random afaik, since there is no BMCs as a entity and furthermore, don’t have the property of who’s owning it!

The run has also weakened my position as a sidenote.

[Chiiika] The rule we’ve got is “Each Vampire Lord has a number of Blood Mana Crystals, which is a publicly tracked non-negative integer defaulting to 0.” - technically it’s “number of Blood Mana Crystals” that’s the integer, and it seems fine to infer things like “Vlad has 6 crystals”, “6 crystals belong to Vlad” or “there are 30 Crystals in existence” from that.

If it was a number of apples defined in the same way, we’d accept “a player may give an apple”; it wouldn’t need to be written out as “a player may give an amount of their number of apples”.

:sad_flute:

(tho i could be persuaded entirely away from ending the dynasty early, we do seem relatively near to an end)

if lemon and Chiiika are both happy ending things this way… 

Defs won’t be doing anything on this

CoV to in favour of one last ride, actually, in light of the fact that distilling can quickly get v expensive w/ the new escalating prices rule

(i won’t be upset if this one passes but i’d prefer the other one)

er… will that one’s atomic action status even prevent the puissance costs from skyrocketing for whoever is arbitrarily the last one to auto-distill? uh oh

already pointed this out when correcting the wiki update, but distilling is a mysterious action not a power action. so it doesn’t have the puissance cost increases

As I said I’m not going to vote on this, I won’t, but I will express a mild preference for One Last Ride

cob

CoV, bc im silly