Friday, August 13, 2021

The Great Work

Add the following Machine into Machines:

Magnum Opus
- Cost: 1 or more Prototypes
- Effect: At the end of the next Cycle, if the Contents of this Magnum Opus are more than the Contents of any other Magnum Opus, achieve victory.

In “Machines”, prepend

A Machine may have Contents, which is a value equal to the amount last paid to purchase or activate the Machine (updated after the activation resolves), tracked in parentheses after the machine’s name. Contents are only tracked for Machines that reference Contents in their text.


The list of available types of Machine are as follows:

In “Storage”. replace

Gain whatever box was most recently spent to purchase or activate this machine, prior to the current activation. (The value of that box is tracked in parenthesis after the machines name)


Gain this Machine’s Contents.

If “Fairer Farming” passed, replace

for each Hot Greenhouse you own, gain a Crop corresponding to the Seed last used to activate it, plus a Seed of the type last used to activate it.


Effect: for each Hot Greenhouse you own, gain its Seed Contents, plus a Crop corresponding to its Seed Contents.

in “Harvester”, and replace

The type of Seed used to activate this Greenhouse is recorded in parentheses next to this Greenhouse in the list of Machines.



in “Greenhouse”.

Taking a first stab at a victory mechanic, an arms race to spend the most Prototypes on building a great… something.  Also keywording “amount last used to purchase or activate this Machine” and parenthetical tracking, since this is likely to be the third machine with this mechanic, and probably won’t be the last.


Clucky: he/him

13-08-2021 16:19:46 UTC

against first off, as someone who has not gotten into prototpyes I see no reason why I should reward people who have. far better to leave it as a junk resources that doesn’t do anything

secondly, this feels way too easy to activate. You and ais could team up, have one of you activate it, and split a victory 50/50

Clucky: he/him

13-08-2021 16:27:34 UTC

oh also apparently this isn’t a proposal yet

Vovix: he/him

13-08-2021 16:31:16 UTC

Huh, thought I tagged it. In response to the teaming concern, there’s a built-in 1-cycle delay, so if we tried that, any one person can buy a Magnum Opus for 1 prototype (can be done in a single Cycle) to block us.

Clucky: he/him

13-08-2021 16:38:46 UTC

well you need to spend the prototype to buy it. thus blocking is only short term

it puts the game on a constant clock. which is no fun for anyone except those in the lead, especially this early into the dynasty

would much rather just see prototypes be a dead mechanic. would be a helpful lesson for the people who invested in something before it was actually fleshed out mechanically to learn about how nomic is played =)

Clucky: he/him

13-08-2021 16:47:53 UTC

I believe this was illegally turned into a votable matter per: “However, despite this, official posts can never be changed from one category to another, or changed to be a different sort of official post, if they have been posted for more than fifteen minutes.”

post was made at 16:08, and I had pointed out at 16:27 (19 minutes later) it was not a proposal.

Vovix: he/him

13-08-2021 16:49:24 UTC

A clock is good, better than a game that goes on forever or a dynasty that ends anticlimactically with “we’re bored of this dynasty, let’s just randomly pick a winner weighted by amount of Apples picked”.

Vovix: he/him

13-08-2021 16:50:31 UTC

“Secondly, if a post by a New Worker is not in any category but follows the wording of a Proposal, in that it has written changes the gamestate and or Ruleset, and if it has been posted for less than six hours, then any Admin may change it to be in the Proposal category. A New Worker is defined as a Worker who has been a Worker for fewer than seven days or a Worker that has unidled in the past seven days after being idle for at least 3 months.”

Ah, guess it would have to be an admin making the change, but the post does qualify for a “this was meant to be a proposal” exemption.

Clucky: he/him

13-08-2021 16:58:23 UTC

there are plenty of ways to end dynasties without clocks. we can have long goals you have to work to achieve rather than just getting the right combination of lucky with your timing/alliances.

anything that would in theory allow the dynasty to end in three days just seems like a bad idea to me

Clucky: he/him

13-08-2021 17:01:36 UTC

also I think the easiest thing to do if you still want to go through with the idea is to just redo the proposal properly. at this point I think we’d need a CfJ to uphold the illegal modifying of the proposal not making it permanently illegal.

Chiiika: she/her

18-08-2021 13:28:55 UTC

Delayed triggers should be avoided if possible.

Will usually vote against  for proposals that involves delayed triggers.