Saturday, June 16, 2018

Call for Judgment: The Log and Line

Timed out 2 votes to 2 with 2 unresolved DEFs. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 18 Jun 2018 08:03:17 UTC

In “Goals”, replace “Each Sailor has one or more secret Goals” with “Each Sailor has zero or more secret Goals”, and retroactively consider the rule to have used that wording since the time it was added to the ruleset.

So, a quick vote on how to end this. Should we retroactively reword the rule, or should we play out with every Sailor having had “Abandon Ship” as their initial goal?



16-06-2018 08:41:45 UTC

against The trick was entirely valid

Kevan: City he/him

16-06-2018 09:19:11 UTC

Not arguing it wasn’t valid, I just wanted to establish a quick consensus on whether a quorum would have voted to retroactively fix it, before I went any further with the Epilogue - given that the 3-day timer was ticking and posting the Epilogue would be giving away information which couldn’t be put back into the bottle afterwards. It seemed likely that somebody might propose a retroactive fix over the weekend, and the sooner that voting started on that issue the better.

But on reflection the Epilogue as read wouldn’t have been giving away anything very much (just confirming that Cuddlebeam wasn’t bluffing and that nobody else had tried the same trick), so I went ahead and posted it.



16-06-2018 09:24:53 UTC

while I do agree it is valid, if Cuddlebeam isn’t going to be here to claim their victory I’d rather have someone else claim victory from what everyone else thought that the rule meant.


16-06-2018 09:54:48 UTC

@card: Well, CB agreed (in private) to give me the Ascension Post, so I was hoping that they’ll at least post the DoV.

They idled out; still, I am more likely to win in a victory election like the one at the end of the last dynasty than by my Reckoning, so I vote against.

Kevan: City he/him

16-06-2018 10:14:08 UTC

I think we only reach for victory elections when we’re at a genuine loss for any other way to select a winner - either because not enough actually happened in the dynasty, or because there are various plausible ways to score it and people would naturally vote selfishly on which measure to use.

This dynasty is rare for actually having a good winner selection method right there; the secretly-submitted Goals which still haven’t been revealed.

If you think you wouldn’t win on that count, though, and are hoping for Cuddlebeam to unidle in four days and pass the mantle - sure, this is all good Nomic.

derrick: he/him

16-06-2018 11:49:50 UTC


Its an entirely valid trick, but unless he’s going to stick around and claim it, I say we figure out who we all thought was going to win.

Lulu: she/her

16-06-2018 20:25:02 UTC


Lulu: she/her

17-06-2018 04:18:55 UTC

against see corona’s post

Brendan: he/him

17-06-2018 06:49:47 UTC