Saturday, February 08, 2020

Proposal: We Are Not So Different, You And I

Popular. Josh

Adminned at 09 Feb 2020 16:18:30 UTC

Replace the penultimate bullet point of “Divergence” with:-

* A Proposal may include the tags “[Alpha]” and/or “[Prime]”; if it includes neither then it is considered to include both. If a Proposal not tagged Alpha would amend the Alpha Ruleset, or if one not tagged Prime would amend the Prime Ruleset, then that Proposal is Unstable.

Replace “If a Proposal to amend a Dynastic Ruleset is Pending and no version of the submitting Scientist is present in that Ruleset’s corresponding Universe, any Scientist with a right to vote on that Proposal may note this fact in a comment under that Proposal, and this will be considered equivalent to a vote to Self-kill that Proposal.” with:-

If a Proposal to amend a Dynastic Ruleset is Pending and no version of the submitting Scientist is present in one of the Universes named in its tags, that Proposal is Unstable.

Then add to that rule:-

If a Proposal is Unstable, it may not be enacted and any admin may fail it at any time.

Allowing proposals to apply to both dynastic rulesets, open to voting by all, so that some aspects of reality can still proceed in parallel after the portal opens. (Otherwise any post-portal fixes and mundane mechanical expansions are going to need proposing twice, once from each side.)

Also replacing the self-kill mechanic (which may not work - it’s impossible for me to vote to “self”-kill another player’s proposal, so making something equivalent to that vote has no meaning?) with a broader keyword.


Kevan: HE/HIM

02-08-2020 09:45:50 UTC

Suitably quantum to see this being sniped by an earlier proposal that didn’t exist on the blog when I started writing this. But I think this one probably still stands.

The Duke of Waltham: HE/HIM

02-08-2020 09:49:04 UTC

I’ll aim to amend it so that they don’t clash. Either I forgot to reset the clock by refreshing, or something odd happened there. (Can I change the post’s time myself? I know I just published it.)

Kevan: HE/HIM

02-08-2020 09:51:20 UTC

I’ve now amended the first step of this so as not to say “dynastic proposal”, which I think is the only point of disagreement.

Fair play disallows edits to timestamps. I think we’re okay as things are.

The Duke of Waltham: HE/HIM

02-08-2020 09:59:11 UTC

What happens to an untagged proposal that is pending when Divergence occurs? I added an exception to them in my proposal (now removed), but it seems they will be considered Unstable here.

Kevan: HE/HIM

02-08-2020 10:03:08 UTC

“if it includes neither [tag] then it is considered to include both” - which seems the safest way to deal with it throughout the dynasty, when someone posts a proposal with no tags. Either it’s a universe-agnostic one and everyone should vote on it, or it’s a universe-specific one and their mistake for letting the other universe get a vote. (Declaring untagged proposals as illegal and requiring reproposal risks bogging things down.)

Josh: HE/HIM

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The Duke of Waltham: HE/HIM

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Kevan: HE/HIM

02-09-2020 00:44:20 UTC

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A warning to any admins considering enacting this that it is (at the time of writing) an illegal proposal, per the Reality Glitch CfJ. Do not enact this proposal until Reality Glitch has enacted.

The Duke of Waltham: HE/HIM

02-09-2020 15:59:34 UTC

This can be enacted now.