Friday, February 21, 2025

Proposal: [Appendix] [Building Blocks] Sliding Windows

In the Appendix rule “Official Posts”, replace the text “An official post may be altered by its author if it is less than 4 hours old and either no Meeple has commented on it or (if it is a Votable Matter) if all comments on it contain no voting icons; otherwise this can only be done as allowed by the Ruleset.” with the following:

An official post may only be altered by its author as allowed by the Ruleset.

In the section “Building Blocks”, remove the text “There are currently no Recommended Building Blocks.”

In the wiki page Building Blocks, add a rule named “Edit Window” with the following text:

‘’‘Recommended:’‘’ An official post may be altered by its author if it is less than 4 hours old and either no Meeple has commented on it or (if it is a Votable Matter) if all comments on it contain no voting icon. This rule is superseded by the rule “Protected Edit Window”, if it exists.

In that same wiki page, add a rule named “Protected Edit Window” with the following text:

An official post may be altered by its author if it is less than 4 hours old. This rule supersedes the rule “Edit Window”, if it exists.

Copy the rule “Edit Window” and its contents from the Building Blocks wiki page to the “Building Blocks” section.

Josh is right, the edit window is a nice-to-have. Given that, it might be worthwhile to allow the Emperor and active players to decide whether there should be an edit window or not, and if there should be one, whether or not it should be protected from votes ending the window early.

The Proposal is constructed such that the default is the state we already have now. Making a Building Block “Recommended” keeps that as the default state when the AA is posted, and since the Building Blocks are not reset until the AA, even during the Interregnum between dynasties, CfJs can still be bound by the edit window rules according to the Building Blocks at the time.

The only part left to be dealt with, which is not regulated by the ruleset, is the PHP code that displays the yellow warning block about the edit window. If this passes, we’ll just have to ask Kevan nicely if he would adjust the text of that yellow block to mention these proposed Building Blocks.

Comments

Kevan: he/him

21-02-2025 18:50:10 UTC

The yellow warning box is part of the blognomic/posts template, so any admin can reword it as needed.

The edit window has moved around a bit over the years, but it feels more like an aspect of what Blognomic is, than how an Emperor or some players want to play one particular dynasty. I don’t think any of the previous changes to it were made for dynastic reasons.

JonathanDark: he/him

21-02-2025 19:20:46 UTC

That may be the case, but it feels like it might have evolved somewhat beyond a core concept. There was a recent debate on exactly how players viewed the edit window. We could simply adjust the rules every time the current contingent of active players feels differently, but if the beliefs around the edit window are more volatile, it feels like Building Blocks might be an appropriate answer.

I admit that the edit window isn’t strongly dynastically-tied, but we don’t currently have another mechanism for easily slotting in different rule options where the rule itself doesn’t change, but its presence or absence does, so this was the best fit given what we have now.

ais523:

21-02-2025 19:32:57 UTC

I guess one way to think about it is that building blocks can be a way to easily turn on and off commonly-used dynastic rules, but they can also be a way to easily adjust the core rules.

We already have one building block that’s mostly a core rule and not really dynastically-tied (Precondition Unidling), and some current core rules were tested as building blocks before they became core.

For what it’s worth, I have been experimenting with the idea of possible edit window alternatives, and it seemed natural at the to implement them as building blocks – so I came to the same conclusion as JonathanDark there.

JonathanDark: he/him

21-02-2025 19:36:12 UTC

This Proposal last year has some good discussion on the issue, and tells me that it’s still not really settled enough to say definitively that the edit window should be considered a guaranteed core concept of BlogNomic.

JonathanDark: he/him

21-02-2025 19:45:58 UTC

And of course there’s this essay which, among other things, has a recommendation at the end of removing the edit window entirely, which my Proposal would allow the Emperor or players to do without losing the notion entirely (except for wiki history of course).

Darknight: he/him

22-02-2025 01:11:19 UTC

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Habanero:

22-02-2025 02:25:28 UTC

for I enjoy the prospect of being able to play without an edit window

Raven1207: Monarchple he/they

22-02-2025 02:59:18 UTC

And this will have it where the author doesn’t have to worry about a player not having their proposal uneditable because of a vote?

JonathanDark: he/him

22-02-2025 03:23:54 UTC

If “Protected Edit Window” is enabled, yes

Raven1207: Monarchple he/they

22-02-2025 03:24:19 UTC

for

Then it has my vote

Kevan: he/him

22-02-2025 08:59:49 UTC

[Jonathan] When defining the fundamentals of how to play Nomic in a blog, a democratic “every time the current contingent of active players feels differently” may be the least bad system of government. There are some strong personal opinions, but they go through the discussion filter of how people feel the rule has been working in practice lately, and they can be rolled back by another vote. I’m not sure it’s good for the game if the Emperor can overrule that by fiat upon Ascension, to declare that this month the Nomic is going to be a “can’t correct mistakes after posting” or “early voting allowed but very unwise” one, for no dynastic gameplay reason but just their personal preference.

[ais] Building Blocks are definitely at least three different things! It’d be a good idea to label or annotate them rather than generally presenting them all (including works in progress and emergency measures) as things any Emperor might want to start a dynasty with.

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