BlogNomic: The First Dynasty of Desertfrog

” in the public domain, or if it has been shared under a licence that allows it to be hosted on the BlogNomic wiki” feels a bit intimidating for players. I don’t know what licenses are allowed to be hosted on the wiki. And I also don’t know how to tell if something I find on the internet is in the public domain or not.

Almost every gallery has licence information alongside images (eg https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/sargent-carnation-lily-lily-rose-n01615)

I just don’t see that there’s a neater way around this problem.

There’s a filter on Google for copyright stuff.

Is there Jumble? That is good to know.

Creative Commons does sometimes need sourcing. Maybe we should require sourcers to include the source of their image, and then can include a link to the source from the gallery?

note that I can’t fix this in my proposal because it could clash here. But I can hold off on starting a round until we’ve got the issue resolved.

“a licence that allows it to be hosted on the BlogNomic wiki” does seem like a tough call, even for someone who deeply understands the licence. Is the BlogNomic wiki definitely non-commercial use? Will we definitely not be creating any derivatives later in the game? Will we be crediting artists and relicencing sharealike, to meet the requirements of CC licences? If an image’s copyright is stated as having expired in its source country, does that also apply to wherever the BlogNomic server is located?

A neater approach would be the one we took last dynasty: to find a nice, big corpus of valid images, and say to only use that. So maybe anything from within https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Paintings that explicitly includes the phrase “This work is in the public domain in the United States” in its description page.

A corpus of valid images feels more limiting than the original dynasty idea. Pictures of “art” in the formal sense were always intended to be legal submissions, but so were memes. Or drawings people did themselves. or whatever.

that being said, copyright stuff might force our hand here a bit

Not putting an icon down now but “if it has been shared under a licence that allows it to be hosted on the BlogNomic wiki” is fine by me. If it makes people too nervous to use something more restrictive than CC-0, good, more original art for the dynasty!

I think the most pressing copyright issue is that this this server doesn’t belong to any of us, it’s owned and paid for by 75th Trombone, and we don’t know their take on hosting copyrighted content, nor how strict their server host’s usage policy is. 75th shouldn’t have to deal with a takedown notice years from now because an artist has noticed that we’re hosting a copy of their work uncredited under the wrong title, or breaking some term of its CC-licence.

I’d be fine with an existing-paintings-only dynasty, or an even more restrictive subset of that. Constraints are always a good thing for game design.

(Looking around other galleries, for what it’s worth, https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search seems good - it looks like if you tick the “Open Access” box when searching, you only get guaranteed public domain images back.)

Your point about not putting this on 75th makes me think: the actual law might bind tight enough already that it’s not something the Ruleset has to be concerned about. Any of us could already use the wiki as an illegal filehost, but we don’t in part out of deference to the law. We could just expect that to flow backwards to Clucky not using the wiki as an illegal filehost, and back from there to players not causing Clucky to do so, with CfJs covering cases as needed.

I’m a strong against vote for constraining the drawings to a whitelist.

how would people feel about the gallery containing links to images so they aren’t hosted on 75ths servers?

then its imgurs problem and worst case scenario stuff gets taken down midround and we need to CfJ something but no legal issues XD

I’d only request that it’s not imgur, which for some reason doesn’t load right in my browser.

ah yeah that might quickly become a problem as I donno what else supports image uploads like that.

I assume the urls load fine for you pokes, just the gallery pages?

Alls I know is I’ll see links to and I’ll click and it does some stuff and then renders a fully gray background with nothing else.

that was supposed to be

https://imgur.com/yaddayadda.jpg

, that EE took to mean I wanted to embed it.

wait EE embeds images for us? hrm…

Well, now imgur works fine?? I don’t know if they changed something but trying out some i.imgur.com URLs works.

Do you just paste the link?

Interesting.

So what if rather than the gallery being a wiki page, the gallery is a blog post. And then I just add all the images submitted as comments on the blog post?

nice

Hosting elsewhere is better, although it’s a shame that the dynasty won’t have a guaranteed permanent archive when it’s over. And I’d push for a rule of at least crediting any living artists that we’re lifting work from.

yeah I think a credit option is definitely a good call

there are better ways we should fix this

, given that it’s either this or a strong informal (and ignorable) request for the first round, while the ruleset says to put images received onto the wiki.

@Kevan images will not be uploaded to the wiki until the second round. meaning we have time to start the first round, have people submit images, and in the meantime switch up how the gallery works before the second round starts

however, were this to pass the “it is in the public domain, or if it has been shared under a licence that allows it to be hosted on the BlogNomic wiki” requirement would remain, and potentially effect people’s ability to submit images

Agree with Clucky, we have time to fix it, and there are better options. I think hosting the images elsewhere is probably the best bet, and if we want an archive, at the end of the dynasty, someone can go through and check all of the art and add what’s viable to a page on the wiki. As long as everyone tries to keep it to things that won’t be an issue, we should be fine anyway, this is just a backup to be safe.

one more test:

uh oh

In light of Clucky’s proposal to fix this by just uploading it to a third-party website