Would we attempt to display this information in the sidebar (which I think can only be done as a second big IFRAME, but maybe there are clever cross-site ExpressionEngine solutions), or is it enough that admins can check the wiki when they need to see what quorum is?

Does seem like it might be easier and more useful to combine this with Dynastic Tracking: to say that the Dynastic Tracking page always, at a minimum, tracks who’s active and what quorum is.

You’re also removing the automatic idling of players after seven days - is that intentional?

The intent was a second iframe, but combining the two seems like a good idea.

I’ll add back the auto-idling, was unintentional.

> Does seem like it might be easier and more useful to combine this with Dynastic Tracking: to say that the Dynastic Tracking page always, at a minimum, tracks who’s active and what quorum is.

On the other hand I feel like there’s an advantage to having the players always tracked in a single location. More… auditable.

Most dynastic gamestate pages end up with a one-row-per-player table, though, and for the ones that don’t, we could just add a plain list of names and “quorum is X” anywhere on the page.

So the actual changes being proposed here are:

1. Citizens control their own idle status
2. Timing out drops from “admins must announce this in a blog post” to “admins should announce this in a blog post or comment”
3. If you time out, you have to wait four days before you can join again
4. Have a second IFRAME in the sidebar

for 2 and 4, and probably 3.

I think timing out needs to be relatively loud so that the idled player can see that it’s happened.

I think it’d make more sense to combine the proposed Core Tracking page with the Dynastic Tracking wiki page that’s already in the sidebar, than to have two IFRAMEs.

Forcing a timed out player to sit out for another four days if they want to come straight back feels a bit punitive. Although it does resolve the weirdness where if you’re four days idle but there’s a small chance you might want to play again in a few days’ time, you’re currently incentivised to time out (so that you can instantly wake up at any point) than to ask to be idled (because if you want to play again three days later, you can’t).

I’m also curious whether any of the less active players would miss the option to ask an admin (who is expected to know how the game works and whether the current dynasty has any knock-on effects when the players change) to idle or unidle them. If idling is a thing you have to do yourself and get right, is that going to change how often people enter and leave the game?

In addition to what Kevan said, this also adds restrictions to when you can go idle. No joining a dynasty, realizing it isn’t for you early on, and then going idle. Furthermore, I worry a bit about the load on newer players who might not get how to unidle.

I’m also a bit more worried about the “should announce unidling”. Its already a bit of a problem with admins, but I think in general “its recommended that you announce when you join/leave” leaves a pretty big avenue open for sneaky behavior.

Lastly, the sidebar is somewhat useful for finding players so you can send the PMs. While a lot of that has navigated to the discord, I do worry what removing the current active player profile links from the sidebar would do. If you do have to send someone a PM, it makes it a lot more annoying to track their account down.