Saturday, February 28, 2015

Proposal: Dole Queue

Self-killed. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 02 Mar 2015 14:41:23 UTC

In the rule “Workplaces”, add a new paragraph after the first:

Each Townsperson without a Workplace may have an Acumen, tracked as a number in the Workplace field. If a Townsperson has neither a Workplace nor an Acumen, they may give themselves an Acumen equal to a random number between 1 and 99. When a Townsperson gains a Workplace, they lose their Acumen.

Replace “At any time, a Townsperson may change their Workplace to any Workplace listed in this rule.” with:-

If a Townsperson has an Acumen and it is the lowest (or tied lowest) Acumen of all Townspeople with no Workplace, that Townsperson may change their Workplace to any Workplace listed in this rule. If a Townsperson has an Acumen and it is the lowest (or tied lowest) Acumen of all Townspeople with no Workplace, and if they have had the lowest Acumen for 24 hours or more, any Townsperson may change that Townsperson’s Workplace to any Workplace listed in this rule.

Then replace “If no Townsperson has done so during the current Season, and if at least a Quorum of Townspeople have Workplaces, then any Townsperson may call a Day of Observance.” with:-

If every Townsperson has a Workplace, then any Townsperson may call a Day of Observance.

Remove the Bailiff role, and add to that rule:

Then, the Townsperson who called the Day of Observance removes the Workplace of every Townsperson.

In “The Almanac”, replace “At 11.59pm UTC on each Sunday” with “whenever a Day of Observance occurs”.

Quick proposal to make Workplace claiming turn-based and to redefine the length of a Season as the time it takes everybody to have a turn, in the hope we can enact it before the end of the weekend. Needs a neater way to assign Acumen.



28-02-2015 09:59:58 UTC

for Makes the pace of the game synchronous with the activity of the players. I like it.


28-02-2015 10:00:56 UTC

Although the rule “workplace” might not exist…..

Kevan: City he/him

28-02-2015 10:04:32 UTC

“An Everyday Story of Country Folk” will create a rule called “Workplace” if it passes. I should maybe have added a clause to check, or looked up the wording for the dependency thing, but “Country Folk” is already at quorum.

Darknight: he/him

28-02-2015 15:48:44 UTC


Darknight: he/him

28-02-2015 15:51:10 UTC

For acumen, would it be easier to tweak the wording to say it assigned randomly by a dice roll?


28-02-2015 16:16:26 UTC


Brendan: he/him

28-02-2015 17:38:23 UTC

for Random numbers without a specified method default to GNDT DICE, right?


28-02-2015 18:13:18 UTC


Kevan: City he/him

28-02-2015 19:12:17 UTC

[Brendan] Yep.


28-02-2015 21:51:24 UTC



01-03-2015 03:37:57 UTC

Out of curiosity, do random numbers still default to GNDT rolls if the random number is not chosen from a set of consecutive integers of which the lowest integer is one?

Kevan: City he/him

01-03-2015 08:31:46 UTC

From the appendix: “If a number or other game variable is selected ‘at random’ or ‘randomly’ from a range of possible values, its value shall always be taken from a uniform probability distribution over the entire range of possible values, unless otherwise specified. This value must be determined by an appropriate DICE roll in the GNDT, unless otherwise specified.”


01-03-2015 10:12:21 UTC

against I prefer the predictable weekly cycle.

Maldor: he/him

01-03-2015 19:23:15 UTC


Kevan: City he/him

01-03-2015 21:38:17 UTC

A reminder that DEF votes will only resolve when the Astrologer votes, and he has yet to return to BlogNomic. This mechanic will have to wait until next Saturday if it cannot be passed this evening.

Kevan: City he/him

01-03-2015 23:03:20 UTC

I suppose it only needs a midweek Super Quorum now.


02-03-2015 04:19:11 UTC



02-03-2015 08:07:50 UTC

@Kevan my reading of the rules is that it would need a Super Quorum with no againsts (and maybe no defs?).


02-03-2015 08:13:24 UTC

And why does the person with the lowest Acumen get to choose first? Shouldn’t the highest Acumen get to pick their occupation first?


02-03-2015 08:55:49 UTC

against It doesn’t do anything.
I set my acumen, it is the only acumen in the town, so it’s the lowest, so I get to pick a workplace.
But I like the idea.

Kevan: City he/him

02-03-2015 10:05:40 UTC

But it’s better to choose a Workplace when you know what other people have chosen (ideally you want to be last). A rational player wouldn’t pick their Workplace immediately, and would hope for others to roll lower values.


02-03-2015 10:05:41 UTC

against CoV per Ely.

A possible fix would be to make the new acumen set by the one calling the day of observance, or, put another way, whenever a Villager has no workplace, they need to have an Acumen.

Kevan: City he/him

02-03-2015 10:09:54 UTC

But yes, this would work better having Acumen rolled in one go as 1 through X - the mechanic for nudging inactive players proposed here doesn’t actually work, because they don’t have Acumen.

against Self-kill because this is the self-kill-and-repropose dynasty.


02-03-2015 10:13:03 UTC

Kevan: Wouldn’t it be even more preferable to always pick first and almost always pick the Forge?

Right now it seems that only the Forge gives a truly individual “advantage”, if that can be said without a victory condition, maybe the priest, too. The others benefit or hit everyone equally, for example: Everyone gets food when there are enough farmers.

Kevan: City he/him

02-03-2015 10:30:08 UTC

True, there’s not much between Priest and Smith right now. But even in the haziest early days of a Nomic, it’s always better to decide something after everyone else has, than before. (Bucky and Fox even seem keen to hold off on generating a random result until the last possible moment, from their lack of Birth Signs.)