Saturday, July 26, 2025

Proposal: Dynastically-minded Privacy [Appendix]

withdrawn, chiiika.

Adminned at 28 Jul 2025 07:19:28 UTC

If Sealed with Approval [Appendix] passed, revert it’s effects.

In Numbers and Variables; after “If a piece of information is described as being tracked secretly or privately by the Yard (including secretly random selections), then that information may only be revealed by the Yard when the ruleset allows it. If a Truck should already know such a piece of information (in that the Yard has already told them it, or vice versa, and there is no way that the information could have been changed since then), the Yard may repeat it to them.” append the following text:

Additionally; if a piece of private information is described as being dynastic; the Truck or Yard who tracked that information may reveal it during an Interregnum or during any later dynasty.

Incorporating previous Temporarily-minded Seal and previous Seal proposals.

Comments

Kevan: Yard he/him

26-07-2025 18:36:27 UTC

You said in comments on Temporarily-Minded Seal that you thought it would be clunky to have a rule of something like “A Truck’s Secret Ingredient is tracked privately by the Yard, and is Sealed.”, but the wording implied here (“A Truck’s Secret Ingredient is tracked dynastically and privately by the Yard.”? “is tracked privately by the Yard and is dynastic”?) seems too subtle to me. On some level everything we’re doing is dynastic; I don’t think this wording would suggest to every reader that the information was going to be revealed when the dynasty was over.

Saying “Sealed” prompts more of a “hey, what does Sealed mean, I should look that up or ask someone” reaction. It doesn’t have to be that exact word, but I think we need something like it.

Chiiika: she/her

27-07-2025 06:53:43 UTC

I think if a variable that is hidden is described as dynastic; it is enough of a marker to me that it is supposed to only be private during the dynasty. I’d be willing to accept and put a keyword on it if other players tell me that that is not enough of a marker.

My objection to Sealed is that it cannot be fitted as an adverb - you can temporarily track something, you can dynastically but you cannot Seally track something; forcing future usage to split the definition as two clauses (variable x is privately tracked and is sealed) vs (variable x is (adverb) privately tracked.)

Kevan: Yard he/him

27-07-2025 10:45:09 UTC

Aesthetically I don’t see any problem with writing “and is Sealed” or “and is Timelocked”, if we can’t think of an adjective that also works as an adverb. They’re still grammatical and clear sentences, and word count isn’t at a premium.

against as I don’t think “dynastic” works here, both for the subtlety mentioned above, and for already having other meanings in the ruleset. (The Appendix defines a “dynastic variable” as “A gamestate variable that exists only due to a dynastic rule and is not mentioned in a non-dynastic rule.”, so all private gamestate in a dynasty is automatically dynastic, which would require it to be revealed under this rule.)

aria: she/they

27-07-2025 11:52:08 UTC

against

Darknight: he/him

27-07-2025 13:01:18 UTC

against

eternalservererror:

27-07-2025 16:50:44 UTC

against

DoomedIdeas: he/him

27-07-2025 20:57:25 UTC

against

Chiiika: she/her

28-07-2025 07:13:48 UTC

against sk to get slot back