Tuesday, January 17, 2023

Call for Judgment: Forcibly burying the seeds

Fewer than a quorum not voting AGAINST. Failed 3 votes to 6 by Kevan.

Adminned at 18 Jan 2023 13:27:41 UTC

Amend the dynastic rule entitled “Basic Mechanics” by replacing

The Onlooker has not yet executed the first Production of Resources and that Settler has not yet performed Sow the Seeds


That Settler has never before Sown the Seeds.

Uphold each attempt to Sow the Seeds that would have been valid at the time had the above change been made before it occurred.

My attempt to Sow the Seeds was invalid because it happened after the first production but I did not attempt to Harvest the Crop beforehand (because that would have involved nothing).


Kevan: he/him

17-01-2023 08:51:30 UTC

Is it intentional that this would allow a new player to join, look at the last dice results, and Sow the Seeds to match, before immediately Harvesting?

It’s a friendly catchup mechanism, but can also be exploited by a team if it’s guaranteed that for each player you persuade to unidle (or in the case of dynasty-inactive players, start playing), you can immediately trade X resources from them.

Janet: she/her

17-01-2023 09:19:06 UTC

It wasn’t intentional per se, but did I notice that after submitting and not bother to add more wording to prevent it.

Kevan: he/him

17-01-2023 11:14:18 UTC

against for that, then: too advantageous to recruitment in the late game, and too advantageous to new/inactive players in the early game, which we are still in. If the next round had some rare-ish rolls, a new or inactive player could coast past the majority of active players to get a good haul of whatever Resources they liked.

Trapdoorspyder: he/him

17-01-2023 20:27:00 UTC

against Unfortunately for those reasons

Josh: he/they

17-01-2023 21:12:28 UTC


Raven1207: he/they

17-01-2023 22:11:34 UTC


JonathanDark: Publisher he/him

18-01-2023 05:30:55 UTC


SingularByte: he/him

18-01-2023 08:34:27 UTC


quirck: he/him

18-01-2023 12:05:23 UTC


Kevan: he/him

18-01-2023 12:10:00 UTC

Was noted on Discord that a Harvest action “that would have involved nothing” can still be performed as a null wiki edit that’s rolled into another editor or just adds empty space, so this CfJ may be redundant.

(The fact that the null Harvest action had been performed would be recognised by “The historical fact of the occurrence of a defined game action is itself considered to be gamestate, tracked in the history of whatever resource is used to track the gamestate modified by that action, where possible, or in the wiki page Gamestate Modifications if this is not possible.”)


18-01-2023 13:13:38 UTC

against per Kevan