Monday, January 18, 2010

Proposal: Fresh Baked Roles (reproposal)

Times out 15-9.
Enacted by Hix.

Adminned at 20 Jan 2010 14:00:19 UTC

Part 1:
If there is a rule entitled “Roles”, add a subrule entitled “Functions of Roles” with text as follows:

Certain Roles have certain powers associated with them.  Unless expressly specified below, a power associated with a Role may only be exercised while the lights are on and while the Guest exercising that power is not Dormant.  The powers that are associated with particular Roles are cumulative with actions that a Guest may otherwise take.

Cook.  The Cook exercises lordly authority over the Kitchen.  If the Cook is in the Kitchen then, as a daily action, the Cook may “expel” all non-Servants from the Kitchen.  In this case, “expel” means that the Cook causes each affected Guest who is in the Kitchen to be moved to a Room selected by the Cook to which that Guest could have voluntarily moved (including, in the case of each affected Dormant Guest, a Room to which that Guest could have voluntarily Moved if that Guest were not Dormant), whereupon each such affected Guest may not return to the Kitchen for 24 hours.

Admiral.  The Admiral is blessed with nerves of steel.  Whether or not the lights are on, if at any time the Admiral becomes Stunned, the Admiral may change his state from Stunned to Healthy.

Film Director.  The Film Director is a keen observer of human behavior.  Once every 48 hours, if the Film Director is in a room with at least two other Guests, the Film Director may contact the Executor by private telegram, specifying the names of two other Guests who are in the same room with the Film Director and stating that he is observing them.  Following the receipt of that private telegram, the Executor must privately truthfully reply to the Film Director, stating which of those two specified Guests has the lower degree of relation to Lord Cartlesham.

Attorney.  The Attorney has a brilliant legal mind.  Once every 96 hours, if the Attorney is in the Library (regardless of whether any other Guests are in the Library), the Attorney may contact the Executor by private telegram, specifying the names of two other Guests and stating that he is researching them.  Folowing the receipt of that private telegram, the Executor must privately truthfully reply to the Attorney, stating which of those two specified Guests has the lower degree of relation to Lord Cartlesham.

Dowager.  The Dowager has a voracious appetite for gossip.  Once every 48 hours, the Dowager may contact the Executor by private telegram, stating that she is gossiping.  Folowing the receipt of that private telegram, the Executor must privately truthfully reply to the Dowager, naming two Guests specified by the Executor in the Executor’s discretion and stating which of them has the lower degree of relation to Lord Cartlesham.

Aristocrat.  The Aristocrat treats his social inferiors with a casual contempt.  As a daily action, the Aristocrat may “expel” all non-dormant Servants and Tradesmen from the Room in which the Aristocrat is located.  In this case, “expel” means that the Aristocrat causes each affected Guest who is in the relevant Room to be moved to a Room selected by the Aristocrat to which that Guest could have voluntarily moved, whereupon each such affected Guest may not return to the Room from which they were expelled for 24 hours or until the Aristocrat leaves the room, whichever happens first.

Judge.  The Judge exercises potent authority over cases that are brought before him.  If at any time there is a Crisis where the proposed action is expressly limited to changing the state of a single named Guest (such as a Crisis proposing to change the state of a particular Guest to “Restrained”), then the Judge’s vote counts double with respect to that Crisis.

Physician.  The Physician is a gifted healer.  If the Physician is in the same room as a Guest who is Wounded (other than the Physician himself), then as a daily action, the Physician may change that Guest’s state to Healthy.

Handyman.  The Handyman is frequently called upon to engage in repairs throughout the mansion.  If the lights are off, the handyman may still move as if the lights were on.

Part 2: If more than half of the EVCs to this proposal contain the text “Safety on”, then add the following text to the beginning of the “Functions of Roles” subrule:

This sentence may be referred to as the “safety sentence”—this “Functions of Roles” subrule (other than this safety sentence) shall not be given effect until this safety sentence is deleted from the ruleset.

 

Comments

Klisz:

18-01-2010 22:06:17 UTC

imperial

yabbaguy:

18-01-2010 22:09:37 UTC

Safety on for

yabbaguy:

18-01-2010 22:10:28 UTC

Actually, I can’t risk the outcome of an “unsafe” proposal.

CoV against Safety on

redtara: they/them

18-01-2010 22:16:25 UTC

for Safety on.

spikebrennan:

18-01-2010 22:20:09 UTC

And I am now out of proposal slots, so if someone else wants to put up a proposal covering some additional Roles…  If the “safety on” is a popular proposal then you may want to consider adding it to other proposals that cover some but not all of the remaining Roles.

Some conceptual suggestions:

Colonel: Has uncommon courage.  Same power as Admiral, except with respect to recovering from a “Terrified” state.

Musician: Has uncommon hearing.  Something to do with gleaning more information from the sounds that are referenced in Kevan’s “Manoeuvres in the Dark” proposal.

Apothecary: Same power as Physician, except with respect to healing someone else from a “Poisoned” state.

Housewife: Same power as Dowager

Athlete: Someone else had suggested a new “Vigorous” health state as a step above “Healthy”.  Interesting thinking, but it might overcomplicate the GNDT to include a state that only one Guest could have some, but not all, of the time.  Perhaps the Athlete could have a special recovery ability kind of like the Admiral.

Spiritualist: Presumably will involve obtaining information from Dead guests, but I think it’s too early to flesh this out.

Banker/Jeweler/Actuary/Diplomat/Inventor: No idea, really.

Butler and Maid: Perhaps these two roles can be “paired” somehow such that either can summon the other to the same room, even if the lights are off, and perhaps overcoming some types of dormancy?

Professor/Curator/Novelist/Journalist/Secretary: No idea.  Perhaps they have some special powers to search a room for clues?

Mechanic: Perhaps something like the Handyman (free movement), the idea being that the Handyman and the Mechanic are the ones who are ordinarily expected to be dispatched to the basement to fix the fusebox?

Architect/Stonemason: Perhaps he can find a secret passage in the mansion?

Actor: Perhaps he can imitate the powers of other Roles, but exercise them less frequently (say, no more than one exercise of any other Role’s power per week)?

Gangster: No idea

Governess/Chauffeur/Gardener

spikebrennan:

18-01-2010 22:28:34 UTC

Perhaps the Journalist’s power is that some information that the Executor privately communicates to a particular Guest (such as gossip going to the Dowager) also gets sent to the Journalist?

spikebrennan:

18-01-2010 22:33:49 UTC

Perhaps the Banker’s power is:
Banker.  The Banker has an uncanny instinct for measuring up a person’s worth.  Promptly following the adoption of [the enabling proposal], the Executor shall privately communicate to the Banker the absolute degree of relation statistic (per the “Bloodline” rule) of the Banker himself and of exactly three other Guests.

Jeweler: My suggested direction would be that the jeweler has an eye for small details, so this points toward some kind of clue-finding ability.

Anonyman:

18-01-2010 23:14:30 UTC

for Safety on.
With regards to other roles, I could see the Diplomat as being able to mediate disputes in some way, maybe by being able to act against killings (1 on a DICE4 prevents the death of another guest in the same room) or by having a greater influence on CfJs. The Inventor could create a weapon/item from what he/she finds in his/her environs. The Gangster could intimidate others in some way, maybe by preventing them from disclosing information or by restricting their movement.

spikebrennan:

18-01-2010 23:19:53 UTC

Perhaps the Actuary is an insufferable bore, with a time-limited power to cause a non-dormant Guest in the same room to fall asleep.

Roujo: he/him

18-01-2010 23:20:45 UTC

for Safety on.

Darknight: he/him

18-01-2010 23:45:56 UTC

for Safety on

Kevan: he/him

19-01-2010 00:02:47 UTC

for

NoOneImportant:

19-01-2010 00:27:46 UTC

for

Safety on… great idea on that by the way.

Hix:

19-01-2010 00:39:54 UTC

against for stalling purposes, but I want the safety OFF.

Roujo: he/him

19-01-2010 00:43:28 UTC

for Screw the safety! =D

Roujo: he/him

19-01-2010 00:44:31 UTC

As Kevan said on IRC: “If you get injured, you can demand that the doctor heal you to show he’s not evil. And if the murderer starts killing people based on the usefulness of their ability, you’ll be fine [if you have none]”

Kevan: he/him

19-01-2010 00:47:59 UTC

The argument being that it’s better to be surrounded by people with useful abilities who have a reason to help you out, than to deny other people abilities until you get yours, while the bodies rack up.

alethiophile:

19-01-2010 00:51:24 UTC

for Safety off.

One of these days I’m going to word a Proposal such that your EVC-conditional doesn’t count unless you vote FOR. Good way to milk votes, anyway. Or possibly piss off everyone and ensure a fail. Well, no risk no gain.

alethiophile:

19-01-2010 00:53:20 UTC

As of now, six of eleven EVCs have safety.

spikebrennan:

19-01-2010 00:55:27 UTC

Explicit author for with explicit non-use of the safety phrase

alethiophile:

19-01-2010 00:56:19 UTC

Six of twelve.

NoOneImportant:

19-01-2010 01:11:53 UTC

against

If that’s how it is, CoV

Safety on.

Kneuronak:

19-01-2010 01:22:11 UTC

for Safety On.

Kneuronak:

19-01-2010 01:46:33 UTC

Ehh. CoV

for Safety *off*.

Dustin:

19-01-2010 01:47:57 UTC

for

alethiophile:

19-01-2010 01:59:35 UTC

5 of 14 safeties.

Should I add EVC-tracking to alethioscript? might be a little difficult.

redtara: they/them

19-01-2010 02:18:37 UTC

I count 7 safeties. In any event, I cov against safety on.

alethiophile:

19-01-2010 02:22:24 UTC

Roujo and Kneuronak CoVed to remove safety.

redtara: they/them

19-01-2010 02:38:44 UTC

Right. My mistake.

TrumanCapote:

19-01-2010 03:27:46 UTC

against

Safety on.

Excalabur:

19-01-2010 03:56:48 UTC

against Safety on

Aquafraternally Yours:

19-01-2010 04:11:41 UTC

for ffO ytefaS

alethiophile:

19-01-2010 06:25:47 UTC

7 of 17.

Rodlen:

19-01-2010 06:54:46 UTC

I see a spammer!

Rodlen:

19-01-2010 06:57:37 UTC

Crazy stone crusher spammer eliminated.

Klisz:

19-01-2010 15:41:58 UTC

CoV for  Safety on. 8 on 17.

Oze:

19-01-2010 15:50:04 UTC

for Safety on.

ais523:

19-01-2010 17:14:23 UTC

<alethiophile> One of these days I’m going to word a Proposal such that your EVC-conditional doesn’t count unless you vote FOR. Good way to milk votes, anyway. Or possibly piss off everyone and ensure a fail. Well, no risk no gain.

That would pretty much certainly ensure I voted against, due to effectively being bribery. For me, against but safety off.

spikebrennan:

19-01-2010 17:49:16 UTC

As of this writing (ignoring the EVC conditional):

<blognomicbot> FOR: Oze, Darth Cliche, Anonyman, alethiophile, Kevan, Roujo, Dustin, Darknight, Aquafraternally Yours, spikebrennan, Kneuronak; AGAINST: Ienpw III, NoOneImportant, yabbaguy, Excalabur, ais523, Hix, TrumanCapote [11-7]. Uncounted votes: NoOneImportant (for), yabbaguy (for), Darth Cliche (deferential), Roujo (for), spikebrennan (for), Ienpw III (for), Kneuronak (for).

ais523:

19-01-2010 18:02:49 UTC

That’s a lot of CoVs.

Keba:

19-01-2010 22:16:12 UTC

for safety on

idea for Spiritualists:

If both player agree to, the Spiritualist can heal any other player. As a reward he receives the function the other player has for a week and the other player lost this function for a week.

Example: Spiritualist heals Banker: Banker is healty know and for one week this Banker cannot perfom any Banker-function, but the Spiritualist can.

Nausved:

19-01-2010 22:50:10 UTC

for Safety on.

If an aristocrat can expel tradesmen and servants, a gangster could expel gentry and servants, and one of the servants (governess? butler?) could expel gentry and tradesmen.

The jeweler, inventor, and curator could have skills dealing with items—perhaps obtaining or constructing them.

redtara: they/them

20-01-2010 00:00:59 UTC

This has got to be the highest number of comments I’ve seen on a proposal…

digibomber:

20-01-2010 06:24:53 UTC

against Don’t like certain roles having special abilities. There are 30+ guests with more than 30 roles and that makes making the powers balanced a very difficult juggling act.

Purplebeard:

20-01-2010 12:30:38 UTC

for Safety is for pussies.

Klisz:

20-01-2010 15:37:30 UTC

11 of 22 votes contain safety.

Hix:

20-01-2010 16:22:28 UTC

Actually, 10 of 21 contain safety.  yabbaguy is idle.

Keba:

20-01-2010 16:45:59 UTC

change to against but “saftey on”, if this proposal does not fail

Uvthenfuv:

20-01-2010 17:53:05 UTC

for

Klisz:

20-01-2010 17:54:43 UTC

@Keba: You mean “safety on”, not “saftey on”.

ais523:

20-01-2010 17:55:15 UTC

against Safety on; if it’s this contested, maybe it’s a good idea for it not to do anything. (Rare for a proposal to be this contentious…)

Klisz:

20-01-2010 17:58:28 UTC

CoV against  Safety on, as I don’t want this proposal to pass without the safety.

Keba:

20-01-2010 18:02:01 UTC

against safety on

thanks, Darth Cliche

Klisz:

20-01-2010 18:11:33 UTC

13 of 22 contain safety.

Klisz:

20-01-2010 18:11:50 UTC

I’m sorry, 12 of 22. My mistake.

spikebrennan:

20-01-2010 18:26:12 UTC

I should note that the passage of this proposal (without the safety) will make it easier to heal the Wound that Purplebeard has already sustained.

cloj63:

20-01-2010 19:14:43 UTC

for Safety off

cloj63:

20-01-2010 19:17:38 UTC

for safety off

cloj63:

20-01-2010 19:18:59 UTC

sorry for the double post, my internet bugged.

Greytyphoon:

20-01-2010 19:28:01 UTC

for Safety off