Sunday, March 15, 2020

Proposal: Greater Profligacy

Reached quorum 7 votes to 0. Enacted by Kevan. Dynastic Distance not toggled as this proposal lacked a [Special Case] tag.

Adminned at 16 Mar 2020 13:08:52 UTC

Amend the text of the rule Money, Prestige and Power to read as follows:

Noblemen have three resources: Money, Prestige and Power.

Players have unlimited Money, so the Money that they spend is tracked as Debt. Debt is tracked privately by Louis XIV and defaults to zero. If they do then Louis XIV may mark it as failed at any time. Debt must be a non-negative integer. For the purposes of all dynastic rules, “spend Money” and “increase Debt” are considered to be synonyms. No action that requires the spending of Money may be considered complete unless Louis XIV has been privately informed that it has taken place and has acknowledged that the relevant impacts upon Debt have been incorporated.

Prestige is the relative status enjoyed by each Nobleman relative to their contemporaries. It is tracked in the Noblemen page of the wiki and defaults to the median value held by other Noblemen. It must be a non-negative integer.

Power is the ability of a Nobleman to enforce their will. It is tracked on the Noblemen page of the wiki and defaults to zero. It must be an integer but may be positive, negative or zero.

Add a new subrule to that rule, entitled Excess Spending:

If a Nobleman spends to excess then they can expect some consequences.

At any given time, the Nobleman who has accrued the greatest Debt (or all such Noblemen, in the event of a tie) may not post a Declaration of Victory.
At any given time, any Nobleman has more accrued Debt than all other Noblemen combined will have their Bid Messages treated as if they had a bid of zero.
As a daily communal action, any Nobleman may reduce the Prestige of any Nobleman with less than -10 Power by 1, to a minimum of zero.

Make the Special Case rule Dynastic Distance active.

The first bit is just the reorganisation from the earlier failed prop.

Expanding out the consequences of profligacy a bit.

The second measure is explicitly to avoid the situation where uncontrolled top-line bidding ruins the game, and to encourage people to use the tools to find what the bidding market’s envelope is and work within in. I am aware that this first auction will not have been a situation where that will have been possible, so some temporary Debt alleviation mechanisms may be necessary.

Comments

Madrid:

15-03-2020 08:50:03 UTC

Make the alleviation first or just include it in a Proposal which has these changes. against

I have a feeling this is going to be a dynasty like the Moby Dick one where I was playing mostly against the Emperor than other players.

Madrid:

15-03-2020 09:13:47 UTC

(I mean, where did “Yes, someone is trying something, and normally I would be very indulgent of that (it’s important that you know that I am not a narc and won’t go squashing scams just because they’re scams)” go for this case?)

Madrid:

15-03-2020 09:46:04 UTC

I’m Idling.

Being an interventionist Emperor isn’t itself wrong, but I just don’t want to invest time right now into playing another dynasty where maneuvering the Emperor becomes such a big deal for me again, because they are a non-player, and it’s not fun for me to do.

Josh: Observer he/they

15-03-2020 10:10:25 UTC

Note that that was not a request to idle, so as things stand, if you want to be idle you will have to do it yourself.

Kevan: he/him

15-03-2020 10:32:28 UTC

for As a player I’d be entirely happy to play under a fair but interventionist Emperor. Explicitly “playing against the Emperor” is fine if a little artificial (The Eighth Dynasty of Josh was fun, although I remember feeling like the Despot wasn’t really flexing their muscles, when we proposed to chip away at his authority), but feels necessary for situations where some gamestate is only visible to that Emperor, and it would be self-defeating to just share that information.

Josh: Observer he/they

15-03-2020 10:36:52 UTC

On that point, I think that this is consistent with ‘my approach to voting on proposals in this dynasty may be inconsistent, but will likely to be opinionated in favour of resulting in a coherent ruleset, although it will seek to avoid casting votes that grant excessive factional advantage’ from the AA.

Darknight: he/him

15-03-2020 12:47:30 UTC

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Lulu: she/her

15-03-2020 14:41:11 UTC

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Brendan: he/him

15-03-2020 15:12:34 UTC

imperial I think Cuddlebeam’s point about alleviation is right.

Clucky: he/him

15-03-2020 16:36:20 UTC

“If they do then Louis XIV may mark it as failed at any time.”


This is no longer needed but left it. The “they do” now applies to Louis XIV’s tracking of debt, which as its required, they do, but I’m not sure what “it” is.

Probably okay to pass and then remove the line in a new proposal though.  for

Kevan: he/him

16-03-2020 09:18:58 UTC

Note to enacting admin (we’re still a couple of votes short): “Make the Special Case rule Dynastic Distance active.” will have no effect as there’s no Special Case tag here.

Tantusar: he/they

16-03-2020 13:02:18 UTC

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