Wednesday, March 05, 2025

Story Post: Kingmaker: Conditionally flavour text?

The newly enacted “Teams” rule says “As a Weekly Action, a Meeple can set their Team to any string of between 3 and 20 alphanumeric characters, where this string is considered flavor text, as long as all of the following criteria are true:”.

I attempted to set my Team to “Winning”. Because the following criteria are not all true, the team name is not considered flavor text (because the string contains the word “Winning”, which is one of the criteria for the name to not be flavor text).

I am unsure whether the team name not being flavor text implies that I am in fact on the Winning Team. If so, this Kingmaker post is legal. If not, it isn’t. I think it would make sense to use this post to discuss whether the post is legal or not.

Comments

ais523:

05-03-2025 17:14:04 UTC

And for so that if people come to a consensus that this works while I’m asleep, it can be adminned without needing to wait for me to wake up (but you should probably hold off on adminning it until there’s a consensus).

On a side note, I was really intrigued as to whether the scam was placed into the proposal intentionally – I thought it might have been, but in retrospect it probably wasn’t.

JonathanDark: he/him

05-03-2025 17:27:14 UTC

It wasn’t. The reading of the sentence was meant that “where this string is considered flavor text” applied to the text before “set their Team”. The comma between that and the next text separates the two, such that “as long as all of the following criteria are true” applies to the text before the commas.

If it were to apply to “where this string is considered flavor text” it would have looked like this:

where this string is considered flavor text as long as all of the following criteria are true

which would be a plain English reading of the text. Punctuation is important and has meaning.

JonathanDark: he/him

05-03-2025 17:28:20 UTC

Therefore, I believe this post is illegal because it was not posted by a Meeple on a legal Team.

ais523:

05-03-2025 17:43:19 UTC

Doesn’t your reading require the previous comma to not be present? I agree that “a Meeple can set their Team to any string of between 3 and 20 alphanumeric characters where this string is considered flavor text, as long as all of the following criteria are true” would match the intended meaning. The comma makes it ambiguous, though: the sentence can plausibly be interpreted as

As a Weekly Action, [a Meeple can set their Team to any string of between 3 and 20 alphanumeric characters, where this string is considered flavor text], as long as all of the following criteria are true:

(your reading),

As a Weekly Action, a Meeple can set their Team to any string of between 3 and 20 alphanumeric characters, [where this string is considered flavor text, as long as all of the following criteria are true:]

(my reading),

or

As a Weekly Action, [a Meeple can set their Team to any string of between 3 and 20 alphanumeric characters, where this string is considered flavor text, as long as all of the following criteria are true:]

(a third possible reading, in which the action is possible more than once a week if any of the criteria are false).

I don’t see any reason other than the obvious authorial intent to favour your reading over mine, and we generally haven’t been using intent to interpret rules recently.

JonathanDark: he/him

05-03-2025 17:52:02 UTC

True, I’m not arguing intent at all. I only mentioned it as the reason I bothered with commas in the first place.

I’ve posted a CfJ, as I think that’s the better place to discuss this. If that CfJ fails, then you get to keep your Team name of “Winning” and thus this Kingmaker post works because you are on the Winning Team.

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