Tuesday, February 06, 2007

Proposal: Notational Conformity

1-13, cannot be enacted without a CoV -Elias IX

Adminned at 07 Feb 2007 14:16:29 UTC

Right now, the filmographies have dates listed in both mm/dd/yyyy and dd/mm/yyyy formats.  This would make dates be yyyy-mm-dd, or yyyy for years

Add a rule “Dates”:

Any specific date or time mentioned in a Gamestate document or in a Proposal must conform to the ISO 8601 specification.



02-06-2007 22:05:29 UTC

Since using “~~~~” in the wiki adds a signature and date in a format like “22:03, 6 Feb 2007 (GMT)”, and “~~~~” is so much easier than typing in the date in any other format, I vote against.  Don’t force us to abandon the useful built-in wiki tools.


02-06-2007 22:07:33 UTC

against agreed.  Anyway, the dates in the filmographies are mostly there for the convinience of the Actor who put them there.


02-06-2007 22:08:37 UTC

So, would you be in favor of a similar proposal if that was the standardized date format?


02-06-2007 22:10:06 UTC

Actually, what gives anyone the right to put those dates in the filmographies, anyway?

Angry Grasshopper:

02-06-2007 22:13:05 UTC

I put them in last night for purposes of clarity as the entries should be spaced by at least four days. There is no rule forcing or prohibiting the dates—I just thought it would be prudent.


02-06-2007 22:16:52 UTC

Except that it is a gamestate document, and thus can only have changes explicitly allowed by the rules.

Angry Grasshopper:

02-06-2007 22:22:07 UTC

Are you thinking of this clause from rule 1.1?

“The Ruleset and Gamestate can only be altered in manners specified by the Ruleset.”

If so, you’ll note that no part of the Gamestate has actually been changed. I can’t find the phrase “gamestate document” anywhere in the rules.

Were you thinking of another rule?


02-06-2007 22:30:28 UTC

Each actor has a Filmography, which is stored in a wiki page called “Filmographies”. This is a list of the films that each Actor has starred in, the year of that film, and the role that they played in it. (From Rule 2.1)

As long as the list of films, the years of those films, and the roles portryaed by each actor in those films doesn’t change, the Gamestate is not being changed when someone edits the wiki page.


02-06-2007 22:33:57 UTC

Right.  I was thinking of

The filmography wiki page is considered part of the Gamestate and thus may only be edited as explicitly allowed by the Rules.

from the original proposal, which has since been replaced.

Angry Grasshopper:

02-06-2007 22:35:48 UTC

Well, Tiberias, that would have done it. ^^


02-06-2007 22:42:34 UTC

In any case, I still see a potential problem with having multiple date formats floating about, especially ones that you can’t tell apart sometimes.  Thus, this proposal will still stand.

If AGAINST votes are cast because you don’t like the format I pick, please say so, and I may try again later with the most popular format.  I’ve learned not to try a fill-in-the-blank proposal.

Angry Grasshopper:

02-06-2007 22:44:16 UTC

Agreed. Shall we stick with the wiki format in that case?


02-06-2007 22:46:27 UTC

That seems like the most likely candidate, but I want to give time to let other people voice their opinion that may not have had a chance to read this yet.


02-06-2007 23:17:20 UTC

Yeah against I think movies should be mentioned by their year (YYYY) according to IMDB, and the wiki time stamp should be added so that it is easy to see how long it has been since someone added a film to their repetoire


02-06-2007 23:55:51 UTC

against Good point from Spike, I’d forgotten about wiki signatures.


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02-07-2007 02:08:33 UTC

against What’s the point?

Angry Grasshopper:

02-07-2007 02:09:44 UTC

Keeping things documented and easy to read. ;)


02-07-2007 03:46:51 UTC

against ~~~~

Which, by the way, can be configured to a different format, iirc.  Don’t ask me how—Chnonos or 75th are the best bets.


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02-07-2007 16:43:24 UTC

against Chronos doesn’t have time available to answer how, but yes, it can.


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