BlogNomic: The First Dynasty of Desertfrog

What exactly happened? Did Raven try and complete multiple motifs at once?

Yep

Because I didn’t realize you couldn’t stack them

Hmm, what order do these edits get Upheld in, given that it’s also applying to all old, illegal edits from earlier in the dynasty (which, when Upheld, will likely make some later legal actions illegal)? Does it make sense to say that they’re all Upheld simultaneously, or is that even worse?

Looking at the wiki history I think Raven’s pinwheel patterns from the 15th are 6-11 (created by grinding an orange), 14-7 (created by pinwheel benediction), 13-5 (created by grinding a blue), 14-8 (benediction) and 1-2 (invalid benediction). Is that right, Raven? 1-2 is the only pattern that’s been removed as invalid, which would be correct.

Their actions on the 16th involve taking only a single Turn Action, because they only have one Turn to spend, so only the first created pinwheel is valid. And that’s what Josh reverted to.

I think the Mosaic is valid as it stands.

Me too, I just want to remove any doubt.

I think Upholding simultaneously is fine, as any illegal edits were reverted and the reversions are upheld as well, but I think actions being upheld in action order makes most sense.

I’d be happy to see doubt removed, but I’m a bit nervous of a CfJ that declares (even briefly) that all illegal actions this dynasty were retroactively valid. Are we 100% confident that none of them will survive, or trigger anything else as they pass through?

It seems okay if they’re done in action order: if there’s an illegal “Kevan gains 100 points” followed by a “Kevan loses 100 points” reversion, then the gain is Upheld, causing the reversion to be automatically thrown out (it is “attempted as if the Upheld action had been successful”, which makes it an invalid revert), and then the reversion is Upheld, bringing it back in.

I’m not sure what happens if we try to Upheld all these actions simultaneously: how do you square two simultaneous upholdings of “Kevan gains 100 points and the next edit is invalid” and “Kevan loses 100 points”? That looks like I’d end up keeping the 100 points, to me.

Either way, we’re certainly in trouble if the enacting admin chooses to enact this in reverse (or perverse) order. And there’s a real danger that if any of the past illegal Mosaics are full or otherwise lacking White Tiles, any of the non-simultaneous enactments of this CfJ will trigger endgame. (This early version of the Mosaic has no White Tiles, for example, but I’m not sure how it would shake out if we Upheld it. There may be other edits in the history where someone has broken and then fixed the Mosaic template.)

until it is decided if daisychaining is ok or not

[Raven1207] The Whirling Silently in Space proposal isn’t retroactive, it wouldn’t make your past moves valid.

per above concerns about simultaneous enactment and ending the dynasty.