I don’t see it this way? I feel like I see revise as a gentle nudge to pass this again and against as “I don’t want this change.

I feel like the perfectionistic tendencies is not something we can fully solve mechanically.

I think revisions can still be useful. In some cases they are annoying (like in “5 O’Clock Somewhere”), which I think stems from it being used for something that’s not (at least imo) a fatal miswording. I think when it is used in a balance with passing-then-patching, it still works well.

The ruleset does actually say that players should vote REVISE on proposals “for which they agree with the general idea behind the proposal, but disagree with the details or with the exact wording”, which is what we’re seeing on Five O’Clock Somewhere. Nobody’s currently saying that the proposed rule is fatally broken or exploitable, just that the wording isn’t perfect - so we should wait for EternalServerError to personally write a second draft, and take another 24-48 hours on it.

I think the obligation issue Josh mentions is the biggest problem with Revisions. Not only the pressure on the proposer to resubmit the same idea again instead of doing something else, but also on the rest of the group to patiently wait for that to happen (which it may not!). For an idea like happy hours, it feels like the REVISE votes have put the concept into a moratorium - if another player has a great idea for a general special-offer mechanism, or some additional effect of happy hours, they’re expected to hold that back and wait to see if EternalServerError will withdraw and repropose the idea.

if another player has a great idea for a general special-offer mechanism, or some additional effect of happy hours, they’re expected to hold that back and wait to see if EternalServerError will withdraw and repropose the idea

hmmmm, I hadn’t really thought of it like that. tentative CoV to

CoV cause that.

I think it’s useful to send the signal of “good idea but needs work” vs “don’t event like the idea”

Noting in the current revisions rule prevents others from being the ones to submit the revisions