Wednesday, January 11, 2023

Proposal: Sicherman is coming to town

Unpopular 1-7. Josh

Adminned at 12 Jan 2023 22:19:42 UTC

In “The Gift of the Isle”,

Change

If they have not done so in the past 36 hours, the Onlooker may roll 2d6 twice, which is known as the Production of Resources.The sums for the two pairs of d6 rolls are known as the two Results for the Production of Resources action.

to

If they have not done so in the past 36 hours, the Onlooker may roll each Settler’s respective Sicherman Pair twice, which is known as the Production of Resources. The Onlooker then applies the 2 results made by the respective Settler’s Sicherman Dice that are then added together.

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Add a rule called “Sicherman Dice” with the description:

An Settler may choose 1 Sicherman Pair that would be recorded on the gamestate, defaulting to none of they have not chosen one yet.

Add a subrule called “Pairs” to the rule “Sicherman Dice” the description:

- Sicherman Pair A: [0,1,2,3,4,5] & [2,3,4,5,6,7]
- Sicherman Pair B: [1,2,2,3,3,4] & [1,3,4,5,6,8]
- Sicherman Pair C: [0,1,1,2,2,3] & [2,4,5,6,7,9]
- Sicherman Pair D: [2,3,3,4,4,5] & [0,2,3,4,5,7]

Comments

Raven1207: he/they

11-01-2023 16:38:40 UTC

Errrr…I hate wiki sometimes

JonathanDark: he/him

11-01-2023 17:06:55 UTC

Since the frequency of sums is the same as for a standard 2d6, what’s the advantage of this Proposal?

Raven1207: he/they

11-01-2023 17:10:29 UTC

I was thinking about having it where later down the line, we could modify our Sicherman Dice by exchanging material for it.

Just a thought

Raven1207: he/they

11-01-2023 17:13:17 UTC

I was also thinking about our ‘Mountain’ dynasty where were able to have dice that we could modify.

Kevan: City he/him

11-01-2023 17:16:50 UTC

“the Onlooker may roll their Sicherman Pair” and “An Settler may choose 1 Sicherman Pair” don’t join up - the Onlooker isn’t a Settler, so wouldn’t be able to set their Sicherman Pair.

We’re already modifying our personal lookup tables for the outcomes of the dice; modifying the dice as well might be overkill.

Raven1207: he/they

11-01-2023 17:18:31 UTC

I see…

Rip

Kevan: City he/him

11-01-2023 17:24:13 UTC

You’re still in the four hour edit window if you want to fix the Onlooker/Settler wording.

Trapdoorspyder: he/him

11-01-2023 17:26:26 UTC

I don’t really like this a whole lot. I don’t really see the benefits here. Any of the mechanics you have described could potentially be done in an easier fashion with 2d6.

Josh: he/they

11-01-2023 17:37:46 UTC

I think adjusting the ranges slightly to make the dice similarly slightly unbalanced could be interesting

Raven1207: he/they

11-01-2023 17:49:17 UTC

I think I fixed the wording

Raven1207: he/they

11-01-2023 18:00:39 UTC

@TDS

True but each of the Sicherman Dice have different array of values on their specific die

Kevan: City he/him

11-01-2023 18:03:36 UTC

You’re changing “may roll 2d6 twice” (two rolls) to “roll each Settler’s respective Sicherman Pair twice” (currently 24 rolls). This doesn’t match up with “The sums for the two pairs of d6 rolls ...” in the rule’s next sentence.

Raven1207: he/they

11-01-2023 18:09:07 UTC

Oh boy

Raven1207: he/they

11-01-2023 18:22:00 UTC

Hopefully the wording is right.

JonathanDark: he/him

11-01-2023 18:33:48 UTC

One part still needs a little fix-up:

“The Onlooker then applies the 2 results of made my the respective Settler’s Sicherman Dice are added together “

Raven1207: he/they

11-01-2023 18:45:35 UTC

Done

JonathanDark: he/him

11-01-2023 19:00:15 UTC

Was it? The oddly-worded sentence is still there. You changed the word “my” to “by”, but it still doesn’t make sense. Read it out loud slowly.

If I may offer a suggestion, how about:

“The Onlooker then applies the 2 results made by the respective Settler’s Sicherman Dice that are then added together.”

Hopefully you see the difference.

Raven1207: he/they

11-01-2023 19:21:57 UTC

I don’t…?

Trapdoorspyder: he/him

11-01-2023 20:41:05 UTC

Just so you know, I’m feeling a very strong against feeling towards this proposal. While I do believe that this is a very interesting concept, I don’t believe that this is a good time for utilizing it. If most other people feel as though this is a good idea I will happily go along with the general consensus, but I will probably break any close calls towards the against direction.

Bucky:

11-01-2023 23:40:09 UTC

against All complexity, no payoff (yet) and roughly doubles the game’s total chore workload.

Habanero:

11-01-2023 23:58:06 UTC

against

Trapdoorspyder: he/him

11-01-2023 23:59:10 UTC

against

Kevan: City he/him

12-01-2023 09:02:34 UTC

I assume the general intention of “The Onlooker then applies the 2 results made by the respective Settler’s Sicherman Dice that are then added together.” is that the Onlooker looks up each result on the Domains table and gives that player those resources directly (replacing the step in Harvesting the Crop without removing it). But we can’t play Nomic on general intentions, the rule needs to statae clearly what it’s doing.

against

SingularByte: he/him

12-01-2023 11:30:35 UTC

against

quirck: he/him

12-01-2023 14:36:11 UTC

against

Chiiika: she/her

12-01-2023 19:51:47 UTC

against

Chiiika: she/her

12-01-2023 20:26:01 UTC

if this is more about a modified variance there might be possibilities but imperial kingmaking could comes into play