Sunday, December 04, 2022

Proposal: Silent Night

Timed out / quorumed 6 votes to 1. Enacted by Kevan.

Adminned at 06 Dec 2022 16:37:47 UTC

In the rule Victory and Ascension, to the end of the sentence which reads “If there is at least one pending DoV, BlogNomic is on Hiatus”, add:

, no Idle Group may be made unidle, and no new player joining requests may be administered.

Locking DoVs to just currently-active players.

Comments

Benbot: he/him

04-12-2022 13:25:53 UTC

What happens if BlogNomic goes into dormancy during a DOV?

Kevan: he/him

04-12-2022 14:13:25 UTC

Nothing serious, the game would just be under Hiatus from two different directions. The DoV would pass or fail on the votes of the non-idle players, and the game would then just be in a Dormancy Hiatus, at which point players could unidle.

Not sure we need the restriction on idling here: if someone times out during a DoV it seems better to idle them than to have them stay in their seat and contribute towards the 2/3rds quorum required. Might also make sense to delay new players from joining the game during a DoV.

Josh: Observer he/they

04-12-2022 14:55:28 UTC

Thanks; have made some amendments

Kevan: he/him

04-12-2022 18:28:48 UTC

for

Bucky:

04-12-2022 19:13:45 UTC

against

No need to exclude the players from playing, just from voting on the DoV.

Josh: Observer he/they

04-12-2022 19:26:19 UTC

@Bucky Eh?

How is your excluding anyone from playing?

Bucky:

04-12-2022 20:11:01 UTC

By holding them idle or apparently not processing their request to join.

I have the feeling the second would be more acute - it must be discouraging to go through the process to gain blog access and make your first post, only to be told to try again tomorrow.

Josh: Observer he/they

04-12-2022 20:20:15 UTC

You don’t have to do anything tomorrow - the same request just gets processed a few hours later than it actually would, which affects them not at all as they would otherwise be joining during hiatus when they can’t do anything anyway?

This feels like objection for its own sake.

JonathanDark: he/him

04-12-2022 20:52:10 UTC

I agree with Bucky. If your goal is to prevent new players from voting on the DoV, then just amend that rule.

Raven1207: he/they

04-12-2022 21:07:22 UTC

for

Josh: Observer he/they

04-12-2022 21:12:57 UTC

@JD This is about as minimal a change as can be made without introducing a bunch of needless text. You can have “you can’t vote on a DoV of you have joined the game or been made unidle in the preceding 72 hours”, say, but then you have to redefine quorum, and it’s just going to introduce more loopholes than it solves.

Hiatus is designed to be a point at which you can’t do anything except resolve the situation that puts you into hiatus. If you can’t vote on that thing then there’s nothing else to do. No-one will be missing out due to being in the bench during a DoV hiatus of they can’t vote on a DoV; this is therefore the same in effect but with far fewer rules.

Kevan: he/him

04-12-2022 22:03:39 UTC

It would seem more confusing, really, to warmly welcome a player to BlogNomic but then remind them (possibly in response to an illegal DoV vote) that they aren’t allowed to take any dynastic game actions or vote on the DoV. But that they can jump in and do all the other Hiatus things, like… voting on a proposal that probably isn’t relevant any more, or starting or voting on a CfJ (which may be as disruptive as voting on the DoV, if it relates to the DoV in any way).

Just telling them that the current dynasty is (maybe) ending and that they’ll be added to the roster when the DoV closes either way seems more easily understandable.

Benbot: he/him

06-12-2022 12:22:42 UTC

imperial

Trapdoorspyder: he/him

06-12-2022 13:27:16 UTC

for

JonathanDark: he/him

06-12-2022 15:04:40 UTC

for