Tuesday, September 07, 2021

Proposal: Strength in Unity

Timed out and enacted, 4-3. Josh

Adminned at 09 Sep 2021 20:10:13 UTC

Reword the sentence “Each Cycle, the Ministry of Information must carry out the following atomic action:” in the rule “Adherents” as follows:

Each Cycle, the Ministry of Information must carry out the following atomic action, known as Processing:

Directly before the bulleted list item in the rule “Adherents” that begins with “For each point of Buzz…” add the following bulleted list item:

* For each term in the [[List of Ideologies]] wiki page, add x Buzz to each Cell which has that term as part of their Ideology, where x is the number of Cells which have that term as part of their Ideology.

Following a trend should be powerful but dangerous.

posted by Brendan at 07 Sep 2021 19:43:00 UTC Comments (17)

Comments

Josh: he/they

07-09-2021 20:05:13 UTC

I like it, I see how it’s powerful, but I’m not currently seeing how it’s dangerous…

Madrid:

07-09-2021 20:16:13 UTC

Informants.

Brendan: he/him

07-09-2021 20:29:40 UTC

Informants and becoming Exposed, yes.

Josh: he/they

07-09-2021 20:36:42 UTC

Ah, neat.

Then I just like it.

lemon: she/her

07-09-2021 21:11:50 UTC

i like this, but the gains seem much too big!! maybe +1 buzz per cycle for every cell (or ministry) u have an ideological proximity of 2 with?

lemon: she/her

07-09-2021 21:12:08 UTC

2+, that is

lemon: she/her

08-09-2021 02:19:36 UTC

against past edit window & its way too much growth in its current state

Madrid:

08-09-2021 03:20:40 UTC

for

Josh: he/they

08-09-2021 08:08:26 UTC

for

lemon: she/her

08-09-2021 08:22:16 UTC

does this growth rate not seem game-breaking to y’all? im genuinely curious if im missing something important bc from where im sitting it looks like this could be used by a small group of players to mow up literally all available adherents of a given ideology w/ only a little bit of clever coordination (like, 4 example, the coordination that brendan already used to communicate a point of ideological alignment to multiple other players!)

i know im one of the ppl who would benefit from selfishly passing this proposal but i would feel dirty using this, and i dont think it would be v fun

Josh: he/they

08-09-2021 08:26:10 UTC

Depends whether the members of that pool have a way of effectively communicating Ideologies to cohere around, I guess. Do they? My DMs are open :)

Kevan: Concierge he/him

08-09-2021 09:36:24 UTC

against Per Lemonfanta. This does seem too big an advantage for a team who’ve agreed a communication code, trust each other and can cope with being Hot.

Josh: he/they

08-09-2021 09:50:29 UTC

I’ll shift to imperial , then, but would like to see this with perhaps a slightly lower buzz reward, or which mandates that Buzz can only be used to capture Citizens whose Ideology matches up with the Ideology of the Cell they’d be adhering to.

Josh: he/they

08-09-2021 17:16:58 UTC

Cov again back to for - the dispersal of citizens amongst ideologies isn’t perfect, but it’s still fair to say that, with the changes being made in A Principled Populace, the most that a cabal can capture and share between a complete ideology match is on average six citizens - hardly a big score

Raven1207: he/they

08-09-2021 19:07:43 UTC

for

Kevan: Concierge he/him

08-09-2021 20:27:18 UTC

[Josh] I think it’s 10, if a duo randomises their third Ideology? And that’s 10 per cycle, if they change their Ideologies each time.

Clucky: he/him

09-09-2021 20:03:09 UTC

against

Things that allow exponential growth are bad

By my understanding, you could use this to double your adherents every cycle