“I just need five of you to comment on this so I can win” sounds like a way to end the dynasty with a lot of hard feelings

Also sounds like a straight violation of No Cooperation in a way that would prevent such a win from taking place.

Probably acceptable if it was worded as more of an observation. And definitely fine if that observation originated from someone else, if the kingmade player didn’t personally suggest or agree to anything and was just handed the win.

This proposal does raise the stakes a lot compared to the other aesthetic rules; it’s 25% of a victory from a single photo, rather than around 1% per photo.

When that’s basically a free action, it does seem too kingmaker friendly. Idle players potentially choosing how and when the game ends won’t be much fun.

But would “could folks scroll a little deeper to see my snap?” be fair game?  Just wondering about engagement slowing, blognomic traffic (like the proposal this week) pushing down snaps…..

@Kevan Five idle players independently conspiring to kingmaking the game don’t need a mechanic; that is essentially a quorum cabal that can just unidle to push their person through.

But even then it’s still not a real issue, as No Cooperation’s “Seekers are expected to avoid co-operating to achieve Victory” doesn’t mandate that one of the conspirators be the target of the victory; in the scenario you outline those players would still be cheating to effect a win!

Well, it’s five minus however many arrows a photo might get otherwise.

A few idle players agreeing among themselves to kingmake an active, unwitting player doesn’t appear to trip No Cooperation. Even if we give “co-operating to achieve Victory” a more generous reading of “co-operating to make a Victory occur”, it’s only the kingmakers who are co-operating, the king’s hands would be clean and they could still DoV.

Getting 5 people to independently and non-cooperatively vote in favor of a photo seems like it’s the correct level of difficulty when compared to the other Awards, given the participation level indicated by the idle Seekers that responded in Discord.

I would also be in favor of changing the “Critic’s Circle Grand Medallion” award to cover multiple photos. Something like this:

Post 5 Snaps in which there were at least 3 UP icons cast in comments by idle Seekers (no more than one UP icon per Snap per idle Seeker).

I missed Kevan’s comment when I posted mine.

CoV because it seems that No Cooperation needs even more tightening up.

In this dynasty, Seekers are expected to avoid co-operating to enable any Seeker to achieve Victory, except through the use of co-operative mechanisms defined in the Dynastic rules.

If a Seeker feels that another Seeker has attempted to achieve victory by benefitting from any activity that has gone against this expectation in some way during the current dynasty, then they are encouraged to vote against all DoVs from that Seeker during that dynasty. This overrules the encouragement to vote according to the perception of a victory in the rule “Victory in Ascension”.

Idle Seekers are considered to be Seekers for the purposes of this rule.</blockquote>