Tuesday, January 26, 2021

Proposal: 8 Thousand More

Vetoed. -Bucky

Adminned at 27 Jan 2021 23:12:24 UTC

Add a new subrule to the rule Treaties, entitled Bureaucracy:

Each Treaty has one or more Authors, denoted by curly brackets (”{ }”) around their name in the Signatory list.

When a Treaty is enacted, or amended by proposal, then the Emperor who posted the proposal becomes an Author of the Treaty in question.

Each Emperor has a score for Domination and Infiltration Over The Bureaucracy Of the Conclave, or DIOTBOC for short. An Emperor’s DIOTBOC is five times the number of Treaties upon which they are an Author, plus the number of Treaties upon which they are a Signatory. An Emperor with a higher DIOTBOC than another Emperor can be said to be more Influential than them.

Each Emperor’s DIOTBOC is publicly tracked.

posted by Josh at 26 Jan 2021 08:53:00 UTC Comments (11)

Comments

Kevan: he/him

26-01-2021 12:41:36 UTC

for

Raven1207: he/they

26-01-2021 13:21:50 UTC

for

pokes:

26-01-2021 15:01:37 UTC

for

Brendan: he/him

26-01-2021 15:27:00 UTC

for

Bucky:

26-01-2021 15:46:04 UTC

against

This would be fine except that it’s a Treaty trying to do Universal things. In addition to leaving DIOTBOC undefined for non-Signatories, it also tries to make Emperors sign the parent rule which, being universal, does not have Signatories.

It also falls afoul of No Privilege Escalation when it adds the Author list.

Josh: he/they

26-01-2021 16:45:12 UTC

@Bucky No Privilege Escalation is on track to fail.

It’s a treaty because I didn’t want to be derailed by a single vote, as per NPE.

Bucky:

26-01-2021 17:14:34 UTC

Hmm, then I suppose I will need to enforce No Privilege Escalation informally.  veto

Josh: he/they

26-01-2021 17:16:50 UTC

Oh, wow

Clucky: he/him

26-01-2021 18:51:49 UTC

“In addition to leaving DIOTBOC undefined for non-Signatories, it also tries to make Emperors sign the parent rule which, being universal, does not have Signatories.”

Not sure I follow that. Don’t all treaties leave values that are undefined for non-Signatories?

“it also tries to make Emperors sign the parent rule which” feels like a bug in the rules that should be fixed, but seems a shame of a reason to kill this

Bucky:

26-01-2021 19:27:12 UTC

When a proposal author votes DEF on their own proposal, they wouldn’t be added to the Signatories list for its Treaties. Except this makes them an Author, which is “denoted by curly brackets (”{ }”) around their name in the Signatory list”, which makes them a Signatory as a side effect. This is one of the two conditions for a recommended veto under rule 2.1.

Clucky: he/him

26-01-2021 19:28:40 UTC

okay I get that point. Just not the other ones. Also feels like a bit of an edge case that can be rectified later