Monday, December 06, 2021

Proposal: Actually, let’s just do this

Times out 6-4. Enacted by Brendan.

Adminned at 08 Dec 2021 20:28:56 UTC

Add a new rule to the dynastic ruleset, called Can Opener:

A proposal that only affects the Perdurable Rules is called a Can Opener proposal. A Can Opener proposal is always Unanimous if it is also Popular.

Unanimity and Perdurability defines Unanimity, but not exclusively, so this is not a clash.

Comments

Janet: she/her

06-12-2021 17:01:26 UTC

for

Brendan: he/him

06-12-2021 17:03:32 UTC

against

Trapdoorspyder: he/him

06-12-2021 23:40:11 UTC

for

lemon: she/her

07-12-2021 00:02:08 UTC

against per my vote on Quas Vulgus Elegerit. i won’t be upset if this passes but i had hoped brendan’s fortress would prove a little harder to disassemble :u

Clucky: he/him

07-12-2021 01:22:23 UTC

for

Brendan: he/him

07-12-2021 02:43:54 UTC

Again, though: it’s totally clear that you could just modify a Perdurable Rule with a normal quorum on this proposal, right? The prohibition on how they can be modified doesn’t kick in until this dynasty ends, at which point the next emperor could quickly wipe this rule!

lemon: she/her

07-12-2021 03:38:18 UTC

brendan can also still veto can opener proposals :u

TyGuy6:

07-12-2021 04:01:41 UTC

That’s why https://blognomic.com/archive/slightly_different_idea disallows vetoes for this and the other idea. (Also, by the time this rule is relevant, it might not be Brendan with veto power.)

Clucky: he/him

07-12-2021 09:02:36 UTC

for

Kevan: he/him

07-12-2021 09:13:55 UTC

against It’s a bit route one, and not very Team Darkness.

Josh: Observer he/they

07-12-2021 09:36:52 UTC

What does “route one” mean?

Kevan: he/him

07-12-2021 09:52:43 UTC

Huh, I just knew it as meaning “a bit obvious and inelegant”, but it’s actually a better metaphor than I realised: in football it’s “the long kick upfield followed by a goalmouth scramble [...] a commonly used but widely derided footballing tactic. It is often perceived to be employed by teams that are heavy on physicality but light on skill.” Although I’m sure you have a goalmouth plan.

Josh: Observer he/they

07-12-2021 10:00:29 UTC

Hahaha that is a savage review of my approach to the game, Kevan 😂

“Heavy on physicality but light on skill,” oh my goodness

I guess it depends on what you think the objective of this dynasty is. Is it to treat Brendan’s ruleset takeover as a fun puzzle, to be resisted and unpicked? Or is it to treat Brendan’s ruleset takeover as a fun constraint, to craft a ‘conventional’ victory within? If the former then eschewing a tool because it’s ‘too obvious’ seems contrary - and for the record, Kevan, I think this approach might only have been ‘obvious’ to you and me; Brendan missed it and no-one raised it in the discord while discussing this issue…

Kevan: he/him

07-12-2021 10:11:29 UTC

I’m seeing it as a puzzle that once it’s been fully unpicked will create a power vacuum, and one where Team Mortal will have a “defeating the Dark One” narrative on their side, so I’m not in that much of a rush to cut the knot.

Josh: Observer he/they

07-12-2021 10:16:58 UTC

Ah; I’m not really experiencing it as a narrative arc, which may explain the difference in approach.

Janet: she/her

07-12-2021 15:14:37 UTC

I just view the goal right now as “abolish the remnants of the dictatorship”. (If it was something more benign, like a “Brendan was here” note, then I’d be all for keeping it, though.)

redtara: they/them

08-12-2021 19:09:44 UTC

against

TyGuy6:

08-12-2021 19:25:26 UTC

for