Saturday, December 15, 2012

Proposal: Just what is a” Private Message”

Reached quorum 11 votes to 0. Enacted by Kevan.

Adminned at 16 Dec 2012 03:42:12 UTC

Add “Private Message”  list of Keywords with the description

A message sent via Blognomic’s Private Messages system at

This really should be defined before someone tries to claim a gmail message or IM is a “Private Message”.

There is also this assumption that you can send private messages unless we say otherwise (i.e. you can send Kevan a message asking to join a cult but can only send him a message to create one once per day) that might be good to clarify. For posts, we have story posts and normal posts. With posts, we divide them between “official” and not. Would be nice to have something similar for PMs…


Kevan: he/him

15-12-2012 20:10:28 UTC

for Good point.

I don’t think the second aspect is a problem, though - you can still physically send me illegal PMs, they’re just illegal from the game’s perspective. In the same way that you can physically post three “proposal” category posts in a row, even though the third would not be a legal proposal.

quirck: he/him

15-12-2012 20:12:10 UTC



15-12-2012 20:13:04 UTC


Clucky: he/him

15-12-2012 20:13:07 UTC

I really dislike having something that you are not legally allowed to do, but still can do it due to limitations in how we enforce legal actions, and doing so still can effect gamestate.

Kevan: he/him

15-12-2012 20:15:39 UTC

How can it affect gamestate? For “As a daily action, a Believer may attempt to form a new Cult by sending a Private Message [of format X]”, the first such message they send will be their daily action, but a second the same day would just be a meaningless Private Message that happened to fit the criteria.

Clucky: he/him

15-12-2012 20:23:23 UTC

That doesn’t effect gamestate. But if we assume private messages asking to join a cult *are* gamestate (because they can change gamestate, and you have to delete them) then they cannot be sent unless the rules say you can. So any requests to join Cults are currently illegal.


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Kevan: he/him

15-12-2012 20:47:01 UTC

Oh, got you, they’re Gamestate because they’re “information which the Ruleset regulates the alteration of”, if a rule lets me delete them. I’d say that means that “a Private Message from a Believer asking to join a Cult” is an item of gamestate which can only be created when the ruleset allows it, and that anyone sending me a PM of “hello I would like to join a Cult” doesn’t count as one from the perspective of the ruleset. Not a flaw with the way we handle gamestate, but a flaw with the way I wrote the dynastic rule, and we should fix that.


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Josh: he/they

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