Friday, September 16, 2011

Mummy, He Stole My Book!

I could be confused about this, but looking back through the GNDT, I think we have a problem.

14/09 08:50 (UTC) - Prince Anduril
  Prince Anduril’s Items = A children’s book~, oil painting~$ (was oil painting~$)
(A children’s book!)

14/09 08:50 (UTC) - Prince Anduril
  Bateleur’s Items = Pilot’s log book~ (was Pilot’s log book~, A children’s book~)

Looks like Anduril is using 2.1.1 Eating and Sleeping to “move one item”.

14/09 08:51 (UTC) - Prince Anduril
  Prince Anduril’s Items = Deck of Cards, A children’s book~, oil painting~$ (was A children’s book~, oil painting~$)
(A deck of cards!)

14/09 08:51 (UTC) - Prince Anduril
  coppro’s Items = - (was Deck of Cards)

This looks like the same thing again… If so, that’s naughty, because 2.1.1 says this may be done “as a daily Action”.

14/09 13:54 (UTC) - Prince Anduril
  Darknight’s Items = Leather cased desk clock made by Curtis of Horspool~$ (was School Attendance Medals~, Leather cased desk clock made by Curtis of Horspool~$)
(Is Darknight asleep? I’ll have those medals back, then I think!)

14/09 13:55 (UTC) - Prince Anduril
  Prince Anduril’s Items = School Attendance Medals~, A children’s book, oil painting~$ (was A children’s book, oil painting~$)

Looks like a third instance of the same action.

14/09 14:03 (UTC) - Prince Anduril
  Prince Anduril’s Items = Deck of Cards, Leather cased desk clock made by Curtis of Horspool~$ (was School Attendance Medals~, A children’s book, oil painting~$)

14/09 14:04 (UTC) - Prince Anduril
  Doctor29’s Items = A packet of Kendall mint cake^1 (was A packet of Kendall mint cake^1, Deck of Cards!)

And a fourth.

Anduril then reverses some of his actions on the grounds they were illegal, but not all of them, then later…

14/09 14:25 (UTC) - Prince Anduril
  Kevan’s Items = - (was A Can of Worms)
(Kevan seems to be asleep so I think I’ll have his worms)

14/09 14:25 (UTC) - Prince Anduril
  Prince Anduril’s Items = A Can of Worms, Deck of Cards, A children’s book (was Deck of Cards, A children’s book)

A further blizzard of reversals and reversal-reversals happens, but at no point does the impossibility of more than one item theft get taken into account that I can see. For example, when Anduril ends with this:

14/09 15:07 (UTC) - Prince Anduril
  Comment:
(Okay - Done now - Gamestate is now back to normal.)

...Kevan’s Can of Worms are overboard due to Anduril having had four Items after taking them. That could only happen if he was able to take them, which I don’t think he was.

As well as the primary effects of this error (Items overboard, Items wrongly owned and so on) there are also secondary effects such as Survivors losing or gaining action opportunities and/or Sanity which I will not attempt to assess at this point.

The only reason this post isn’t a Call For Judgement is because I have absolutely no idea how to go about dealing with this! (And also, I might just be confused and wrong.)

 

Comments

Kevan:

09-16-2011 09:56:57 UTC

I believe his argument, stated in a GNDT comment somewhere, is that “If the day on which a Survivor last slept is today or yesterday, any Survivor may, as a daily Action, move one Item from the possession of that Survivor (other than a Pocket) to their own.” means that the daily Action of “steal an item from Bateleur” is a different one to “steal an item from Coppro”.

Which I think is fair enough - for it to work the other way, it would have to be worded as “As a daily Action, a Survivor may move into their possession one Item from a Survivor who…”

Prince Anduril:

09-16-2011 12:04:29 UTC

Yep. That’s exactly my arguemnt. Sorry for the blizzard of amendments. They were a genuine screw up on my part. As for this action, I’ve always read it as per player, and no-one has questioned it before now, so I figured people agreed. That’s why I didn’t change them in my amendments.

bateleur:

09-16-2011 16:09:03 UTC

OK, ambiguity accepted… but that really needs changing! I’ll make a proposal accordingly.