I’d rather Celerity be privately tracked. That way there isn’t any sort of pressure to be extra online so that you can outbid others.

I see your point, but we’ll need other ways to spend Stars to make that work. Otherwise, it’s fairly straight-forward to see a Wizard’s Stars being spent between Duels and deduce that they’re increasing Celerity.

Send amount to spend on Celerity as part of the spell selection, but don’t spend it until the AA for Commencing a Duel

Yes, we’ll already be “privately communicating with the Battle Master the name of the spell and any inputs for that spell” - this could just be an additional spell input of ”...and the speed of that spell”, which costs Stars and defaults to zero if you don’t spend any.

Ah, that’s a good way of looking at it: an input to the spell rather than an attribute of the Wizard. I’ll re-write this Proposal with that in mind.

Ok, it’s been re-written to allow Wizards to optionally specify a Speed during Spell selection.

Does this work with https://blognomic.com/archive/between_stimulus_and_response and https://blognomic.com/archive/spell_economy?

I think you could speed cast doom for all your stars, and then doom casting would still succeed. But maybe that’s okay.

It does work and does not allow speed casting Doom Cloud using all of your Stars, because this part of the Proposal subtracts the Stars as the first part of processing the Duel:

* For each Wizard that specified a Speed for their selected Spell, decrease that Wizard’s Stars by that Speed.

So when Doom Cloud is processed, assuming “Spell Economy” is enacted, Doom Cloud with a cost of 1 Star won’t have any effect because a Wizard that spent all their Stars on Speed for Doom Cloud would not have enough Stars at that point. They should do “Stars-1” for the Speed if that’s what they want.

Although I see your point that “the cost is deducted from a Wizard’s stars when they cast the spell” might be slightly vague and could be tightened up, depending on your view of “when they cast the spell” actually occurs. I’ll add some wording to fix that…

But you have

—unless they have fewer stars than the cost, in which case the spell fails and has no effect.

and

—Whenever a Spell’s Effect relies on information about another Wizard’s personal gamestate in order to resolve (eg how many Stars that Wizard has, what kind of Style their Hat is etc), the frame of reference for that information is the moment immediately before the duel was resolved.

I believe that means the frame of reference for “they have fewer stars than the cost” is “immediately before the duel was resolved”, so you’ll still pass the “I have enough stars to cast doom” check even if you spend all your stars on something else

Oh, I guess I should also set it up so that it works with the bulleted list of “Spell Economy”.

Also, this Proposal is already replacing that phrase “immediately before the duel was resolved” with “immediately before resolving the Effects of the selected Spells of the Speed being processed”

ah okay. I think that should work then.

Re-written again, so please take another look. I know it’s getting wordy, but I’ve been trying to consider all of the corner cases. There were a few scammy spots I wanted to patch up as well.

this still feels a bit overly complicated but I do like the idea of paying to cast your spells first

Definitely overcomplicated, especially when we haven’t had a duel yet so we don’t really know what that feels like.

I think it would be much easier if spells just get casted in order of the ring or in a random order. Or if each spell could have a speed and the fastest spells resolve first, with ties being broken in order of the ring (or randomly).

Mild against on the complexity this adds to the ruletext, and the fact that spell order doesn’t yet seem to matter much - and that we could maybe stick with the constraint that it should never matter.

Withdrawn