Friday, January 01, 2021

Call for Judgment: Stuck recovering

Failed as a result of the passage of Call for Judgment: Surprisingly spry. Josh

Adminned at 02 Jan 2021 15:30:24 UTC

On December 21, the proposal “Reforged” removed the ability for Recovering Pilots to become Outfitting. This apparently went unnoticed until Coderblaze mentioned it in a PM to me today.

Therefore:
Reset the gamestate in the Ansible Hangar for Coderblaze and Raven1207 to the last state in which they were Recovering.
Reset the gamestate in the Ansible Hangar for Bucky to what it was when the proposal “Reforged” was enacted, as Bucky was Recovering at the time. (https://wiki.blognomic.com/index.php?title=Ansible_Hangar&oldid=12806)
Revert any lingering effects (such as destruction or reactions triggered) of attacks by those Pilots since the point their respective gamestates were reset to.

This outcome does seem extremely unfair, punishing only the players who were actively participating at the time, but it’s our fault for not reading the rules carefully enough.

Comments

pokes:

01-01-2021 18:39:52 UTC

against , obviously

pokes:

01-01-2021 18:41:08 UTC

reads more carefully

pokes:

01-01-2021 18:41:28 UTC

for obviously?

Bucky:

01-01-2021 19:26:41 UTC

Pokes and other Jockeys do not appear to have been Recovering at any point since Reforged.

Raven1207: he/they

01-01-2021 19:56:17 UTC

imperial

Josh: Observer he/they

01-01-2021 20:32:23 UTC

against My strong preference would be to uphold the status quo to whatever extent is possible, especially given that this is a goofy-error kind of an issue rather than a clever-scam kind of an error. I’ll counter-cfj.

Bucky:

02-01-2021 00:56:14 UTC

As I said on the counter-CfJ, we should play by the actual rules rather than cover for clearly illegal actions. Only if there’s no practical way to determine the gamestate under the rules as-written should we uphold the illegal status quo.

Josh: Observer he/they

02-01-2021 08:11:28 UTC

I guess I don’t agree that this is practical; I respect the purity of your position but reverting a large chunk of dynasty, and in doing so unevenly altering the progress of players such that it could alter the outcome of the dynasty, feels unfair to the point that the principle should come second to practicality.

Perhaps more pointedly, the reversion doesn’t work as easily as you might think. For example: you had at least one fire attempt on IVYSAUR or VENUSAUR that caused it to react and raise its defence. Does that get reverted, and if so, does that mean that pokes’ subsequent successful fire attempt on it should retroactively fail?

Darknight: he/him

02-01-2021 15:09:11 UTC

imperial

Coderblaze:

02-01-2021 15:23:35 UTC

against I fell like reverting a lot of things isn’t the best way to go about this