Good, thanks.

While you’re fixing things, the line ‘Votable Matters other than DoVs require the “[Victory]” tag in order to grant victory to an Explorer’ also periodically causes problems, as many proposals directly or indirectly grant victory to an explorer, and almost none of them have the [Victory] tag. I think that line should either be removed completely or reworded to specify that it only applies when Victory is being directly conferred; not sure how that would be neatly expressed though.

The main reason that tags exist are to stop something from happening by accident. Prior to the Victory tag, a proposal that made some wild “set all true/false gamestate elements to random values” kind of amendment could end up assigning victory in the process - which may be fun as a scam, or annoying if it was unintentional. It’s up to us whether we want that guard rail.

(The wild proposal example being that “Kevan has achieved victory”, “SingularByte has achieved victory”, etc are all true/false values and the proposal would set them directly. It would be good to clarify that this is probably all that the tag should be concerned about, though; that a proposal of “enact a new rule saying that Kevan has won” or “set Kevan’s coins to 100, which happens to be the victory target” wouldn’t need it.)

Out of curiosity, has that guard rail ever stopped an unintentional victory like that to anyone’s knowledge?

Under the current wording I would argue that every single one of the last thirty dynasties could have been voted down at DoV, as at least one proposal involved in ‘grant[ing] victory to an explorer’ lacked the necessary tag.

Due to a scam, this directly conferred Bucky Victory.

This merit-random roll conferred victory.

This indirectly led to a player achieving Victory.

I could continue.

I’m meaning in the more direct sense - has there ever been a votable matter that would have accidentally directly granted victory without going via rules text, and without just being an upheld result.

[SingularByte] Not that I can remember. But it may not have even registered, where an enacting admin knew that the rail was there and didn’t consider and/or mention whether some gamestate update could have but didn’t affect victory status.

per above. I don’t mind having the Victory tag around as a guardrail against dynasty-ending accidents.

A guardrail that either guards against nothing at all or everything, including the things it’s supposed to let through, seems useless.

No objections to clarifying that it only applies to direct assignations of victory from the Votable Matter itself.

I’d happily consider that as a separate proposal. This proposal is what’s on the table, rather than a hypothetical perfect future proposal, and it’s strictly better than the status quo.

Mostly because I hardly propose anymore unless I really have a decent idea to offer.

I’d really enjoy it if this somehow made SB the victor.