Thursday, September 04, 2025

Proposal: Let Mentor Be Mentor

In the Building Block No Private Communication, change

A mentor and mentee may still privately converse with each other, but the mentor and the mentee should not pursue strategies that is based on the private information of the other party.

to

A mentor and mentee may privately converse with each other as if this rule were not in effect, but should not collaborate to secure Victory for either party.

Loosening this a bit more. At the moment I can’t, for example, advise my mentee to ‘never deliberately take an action that makes your position worse’, as that would become a strategy that they could not pursue based on my advice. This is all a bit silly; mentees should get the same experience regardless of whether NPC is on, short only of not giving the mentor an advantage.

Comments

eternalservererror: Board

04-09-2025 16:08:22 UTC

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Chiiika: she/her

04-09-2025 16:16:42 UTC

for , thank you for loosening it further. I remember there is some blowback to me loosening it last time?

JonathanDark: he/him

04-09-2025 16:32:18 UTC

for

SingularByte: he/him

04-09-2025 16:34:55 UTC

for

Brendan: he/him

04-09-2025 17:00:05 UTC

for

Kevan: he/him

04-09-2025 17:43:48 UTC

against Seems very powerful to say that Mentors and Mentees can act if the No Private Communications rule was completely switched off, so long as they don’t use any of the shared information to “collaborate to secure Victory”.

That sounds like it’s acceptable to pass any information in the early game (before there’s a victory condition) or in an unsuccessful late game (where the Mentor and Mentee see that they can’t win from there, but can still privately coordinate to assist or impede other players of their choice).

Giving them immunity to the full rule, including the final “If information which was not allowed to be discussed is still privately discussed…” paragraph, also means that they don’t need to disclose to the group if they ever cross the line accidentally.

SingularByte: he/him

04-09-2025 17:48:38 UTC

I probably would vote in favour of a middle ground proposal, but if the choice in this poroposal is between too much info to a mentee vs too little, I’d think we should favour the one that doesn’t leave mentees floundering under certain rulesets.

We could probably limit it towards tactical advice though, and/or advice which doesn’t advance the position of the mentor.

JonathanDark: he/him

04-09-2025 17:49:46 UTC

How would they cross the line if they effectively ignore the No Private Communications rule anyway? There would be nothing to ever disclose.

JonathanDark: he/him

04-09-2025 17:51:08 UTC

If it’s the bit about “should not collaborate to secure Victory for either party”, I think that’s up to self-reporting and trust that people aren’t cheating.

DoomedIdeas: he/him

04-09-2025 18:25:35 UTC

for I think we could stand to tighten the proposed boundaries, as Kevan mentioned, but I prefer this “looser” option to what we have now.

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