Wednesday, December 06, 2023

Proposal: Expanding the Sphere of Influence

Timed out, 2-0 with 1 DEF. Enacted by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 08 Dec 2023 14:05:13 UTC

In the rule “Influence”, move the text starting with “At any time, an Heir may execute the Exert Influence action” and ending with “directly to do so.” into a subrule named “Influencing Claims”.

In the same rule, replace the text “a list of zero or more of the following named Resources, defaulting to all Resources named in the table below” with

a list of zero or more of each of the following named Resources, defaulting to one of each Resource named in the table below

In the same rule, in the subrule “Influencing Claims”, replace the text “Exert Influence” with “Influence Claim”.

In the same rule, add a new subrule named “Influencing the Tyngwall” with the following text:

At any time, an Heir may execute the Influence Tyngwall action, which is an atomic action with the following steps:
* Select a Resource that Heir has in their Resources.
* Select a Tyngwall that has been posted but in which its Meeting has not yet occurred.
* Respond to the selected Tyngwall proposing a single item of New Business that is not a Disown decree, unless the selected Resource has a Beneficial Aspect that matches one of the Features of that Heir, in which case the proposed New Business may be a Disown decree.
* Remove the selected Resource from that Heir’s Resources.

In the rule “Tyngwall” replace the text “Once, before midnight on the Wednesday of that week, the Old King should secretly randomly generate the following information and post it in a comment” with the following text:

As a Weekly Communal Action, before midnight on the Wednesday of that week, any Heir should perform the Tyngwall Agenda action as an atomic action with the steps below and post the results in a comment

In the same rule, replace the bulleted list after the text “due to take place that Sunday:” with the following bulleted list:

* Randomly select the type of decree for a piece of New Business
* If it is selected to be an Endorse or Denegrate decree, randomly select the Strength value using the valid range for that type.
* If it is selected to be Disown decree, randomly select a Claim, then randomly select an Heir who is not already on the Disown list for that Claim.
* Repeat the preceeding 3 steps one more time to generate a second piece of New Business.

If the Proposal “Detangling the Tyngwall” was not enacted, add the following bullet point to this same list as the first bullet point in the list:

* For each piece of Existing Business, randomly select the number of non-Heir Parliamentarians that support it, and then calculate the remaining number of non-Heir Parliamentarians that oppose it.

Adding another use for Resources, which also lets people participate a little more in the Tyngwall. Also putting Heirs in charge of generating the New Business and Existing Business random data.


Clucky: he/him

06-12-2023 16:44:11 UTC

I worry that it is unclear what it means to “randomly generate a piece of new business”. When the old king is the only one doing it, I think its fine because I expect Vovix to be consistent; but if different people are doing it we’ll need to actually define how it should be done

Like do you randomly first choose “Endorse” “Degenerate” or “Disown” and then randomly generate those options? Or do you make a full list of all the possible pieces of new business and pick one of those? (as there are more options for Endorse than Degenerate and more for Degenreate than Disown, this will result in more Endorse new business being created)

JonathanDark: he/him

06-12-2023 17:06:12 UTC

Good point. I put in replacement text with explicit steps for random generation of the New Business values. I also made sure that the replacement text doesn’t conflict with “Detangling the Tyngwall”.

Clucky: he/him

06-12-2023 17:50:04 UTC

you need to also select a claim, which you don’t do for endorse/Denegrate

JonathanDark: he/him

06-12-2023 18:52:32 UTC

Oops, and now the edit window is gone. *sigh*

I don’t suppose people will be lenient and let me propose a follow-up fix, will you? I accidentally provided an easy out to reject the whole thing. It’s what I get for trying to put it all in one proposal basket.

Clucky: he/him

07-12-2023 01:35:20 UTC

i like the idea. But I think it might need the fix to pass otherwise it could lock things up.

JonathanDark: he/him

07-12-2023 17:14:41 UTC

Are other people waiting for a follow-up proposal to fix this issue before voting? I’m just trying to decide if it’s worth the slot or not.


07-12-2023 18:08:53 UTC


Kevan: he/him

07-12-2023 21:21:44 UTC

for Seems patchable.